STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

[Anduril]

Well, I certainly never suspected that he'd turn out to be Khan.

How could you not see that coming?

 

[trevanian]

Since the topic is wavering, anyway (WHERE ARE THOSE SPOILERS, PEOPLE?!), there were some great stories in all Trek series, but exactly what were the episodes of TOS (or TNG) that actually "made one think" or were cerebral? The ones that transcended even a great episode of any other weekly drama or action-adventure show?
[snip]

I'm not trying to provoke an argument or set people up to flame their tastes, but honestly, what were the episodes that were not just good strories, but were cerebral and thought provoking? What's the list?

(list clipped by Franklin for space)

I'm doing this on the fly, but if I get back here in the next couple of days, I'll probably have a few more thoughts along these lines. In the meantime youse can tear me one over the above comments.

Meh. Things are about to get busy for me for the next couple of weeks. Maybe I'll get to it after the first week of May. That OK for you?

Abso-friggin-lutely. I'm on a deadline that doesn't let me go to sleep till I have the draft down tonight, and I've got two other ones I need to jump right into, so a few days of reflection will do wonders for me, I'm sure.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Khan is a title. It's not part of his name

Ah. Locutus agrees with me.

*pause*

Oh my God. Locutus agrees with me.

 

[BillJ]

Take your pick, define your place in fandom, perhaps you should confine yourself to the other Star Trek Movies forum on BBS, you know, the one where the films and crapola TV shows led to Star Trek's demise before JJ came along and redefined it.

You sir are a one eyed fan.

I won't dignify this with a response beyond as I type this I'm looking at my entertainment shelf with my copy of Star Trek 2009 (which I've seen numerous times), Star Trek: The Video Game (set in the Abramsverse) and my Abramsverse Captain Kirk action figure.

So I guess I am a 'one-eyed fan'. Whatever the hell that is...

EDIT: Just a note. The last main Trek movie villain played by a non-white actor was Khan. Not a very good track record for a franchise that supposedly prides itself on diversity.

 

[throwback]

Khan is a region specific title and name.

In the Middle Ages, the title was used by those who led a Mongol, a Tartar, or a Turkish tribe. Mongols were native to Mongolia, in East Asia. Tartar were native to west-central Russia, Siberia, and central Asia. Turkish were native to Turkey.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_(title)

The name Khan is used by those who lived in Central and Western Asia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_(surname)

So, in summation, Khan is a Asian word.

I understand the sensitivity that some would have in portraying Khan by a person of Asia. However, considering the vast region of Asia that Khan is used in, there are ways I think that this issue could be resolved so that an Asian actor could portray Khan.

Here is a man from Pakistan who has the last name of Khan. He is named Imran Khan, and his occupation is politician.

 

[Melakon]

Yeah, I mentioned that's one of the reasons I thought Khan was the main villain way back before all the spoilers started pouring in.

I probably did read your theory and it stayed in the subconscious. Apologies.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

However, considering the vast region of Asia that Khan is used in, there are ways I think that this issue could be resolved so that an Asian actor could portray Khan.

There's no "issue" to be resolved - the movie has been made; Khan is played by Benedict Cumberbatch.

 

[Deck 1 - Bridge]

Take your pick, define your place in fandom, perhaps you should confine yourself to the other Star Trek Movies forum on BBS, you know, the one where the films and crapola TV shows led to Star Trek's demise before JJ came along and redefined it.

You sir are a one eyed fan.

I won't dignify this with a response beyond as I type this I'm looking at my entertainment shelf with my copy of Star Trek 2009 (which I've seen numerous times), Star Trek: The Video Game (set in the Abramsverse) and my Abramsverse Captain Kirk action figure.

So I guess I am a 'one-eyed fan'. Whatever the hell that is...

EDIT: Just a note. The last main Trek movie villain played by a non-white actor was Khan. Not a very good track record for a franchise that supposedly prides itself on diversity.

'I wont dignify this with a response' before going on to give a response.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

However, considering the vast region of Asia that Khan is used in, there are ways I think that this issue could be resolved so that an Asian actor could portray Khan.

There's no "issue" to be resolved - the movie has been made; Khan is played by Benedict Cumberbatch.

Pretty much.

 

[BillJ]

'I wont dignify this with a response' before going on to give a response.

Damn. I was really hoping to get a definition of "one-eyed fan". Am I a "one-eyed fan" because I'm blind in one-eye in real life?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Perhaps it's intended to be akin to a one-eyed trouser snake?

 

[BillJ]

Perhaps it's intended to be akin to a one-eyed trouser snake?

 

[thumbtack]

Nerds can fuss over whatever they like; it's not going to affect the public acceptance of the movie or its success one whit.

I've been watching the nerdrage being flung at Iron Man 3 on two other sites, as the film stands at 93 on RT. Bizarre.

Well, I certainly never suspected that he'd turn out to be Khan.

I think the Khan people have done a wonderful job of not gloating. Imagine what this thread would be like had Cumberbatch turned out to not be a canon violation.

 

[M'Sharak]

'I wont dignify this with a response' before going on to give a response.

Damn. I was really hoping to get a definition of "one-eyed fan".

Footy slang, apparently, and not especially accurate here, but in effect he's saying that you're heavily biased in favor of Abrams and Abrams Trek*. A "one-eyed fan" would be the guy who demands the visiting team be penalized for any and all offenses while at the same time overlooking any offenses committed by the home team. Or something like that.


* Yes, that's funny, isn't it?

 

[Greylock Crescent]

Or is it a reference to the old proverb (adage? saying? fallacy?) that in the land of the blind, the one-eyed fan is Khan?

 

[Kruezerman]

'I wont dignify this with a response' before going on to give a response.

Damn. I was really hoping to get a definition of "one-eyed fan". Am I a "one-eyed fan" because I'm blind in one-eye in real life?

Are you really?

 

[BillJ]

'I wont dignify this with a response' before going on to give a response.

Damn. I was really hoping to get a definition of "one-eyed fan". Am I a "one-eyed fan" because I'm blind in one-eye in real life?

Are you really?

Yup. Blind in the left eye since birth.

 

[Greylock Crescent]

'I wont dignify this with a response' before going on to give a response.

Damn. I was really hoping to get a definition of "one-eyed fan". Am I a "one-eyed fan" because I'm blind in one-eye in real life?

Are you really?

Chekov's gun, man. It's been loaded. It needs to be fired.

 

[Kruezerman]

Damn. I was really hoping to get a definition of "one-eyed fan". Am I a "one-eyed fan" because I'm blind in one-eye in real life?

Are you really?

Yup. Blind in the left eye since birth.

Huh, you learn something new everyday.

 

[Deck 1 - Bridge]

Damn. I was really hoping to get a definition of "one-eyed fan". Am I a "one-eyed fan" because I'm blind in one-eye in real life?

Are you really?

Yup. Blind in the left eye since birth.

IF that's the case, and my comment about being a one eyed fan offended, then I apologise. It was offered in the context that some fans fail to see a bigger picture, a wider picture.

That said, BillJ, I think youre pretty lame to come back with the old 'I'm a disabled, black, one legged lesbian' defence to avoid discussing things properly.

One presumes you'll be giving the 3D showing a miss then.