STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

[BillJ]

IF that's the case, and my comment about being a one eyed fan offended, then I apologise. It was offered in the context that some fans fail to see a bigger picture, a wider picture.

One presumes you'll be giving the 3D showing a miss then.

No offense, just a friendly jab. Hard to take offense at anything said here. And yes, I won't be going until a 2D showing on Thursday night.

 

[RAMA]

Are you really?

Yup. Blind in the left eye since birth.

IF that's the case, and my comment about being a one eyed fan offended, then I apologise. It was offered in the context that some fans fail to see a bigger picture, a wider picture.

That said, BillJ, I think youre pretty lame to come back with the old 'I'm a disabled, black, one legged lesbian' defence to avoid discussing things properly.

One presumes you'll be giving the 3D showing a miss then.

I have three eyes...makes it more interesting.

 

[sojourner]

I have 3 eyes, but the Third Eye Blind.

 

[gornsky]

Well, anyway, I took the purity test, and I voted 0. I noticed that 66.67% of respondents voted the same way. 33.33% of respondents voted for six of the items being present in the next film .

Not very spoilerish...

I can't find the Purity Test. The link appears to have been removed. I was lucky enough to have seen the film and I think it has much more "Trek purity" than the 2009 version.

While I follow all the Treks, TOS was my favourite, so authentic characterisation is my benchmark. I enjoyed the first film a lot, but apart from McCoy, took a while and a little bit of mental gymnastics to accept that nuKirk, nuSpock, nUhura etc. were forerunners of the characters I loved, albeit with different backgrounds and circumstances.

After all the prepublicity for this film seemed to point to a mass-produced sellout with guns, explosions and random underwear scenes, I was pleasantly surprised to see how much of it revolved specifically around the character journeys (particularly of Kirk and Spock), how intense a lot of the exchanges were, and (some obvious missteps notwithstanding) how ultimately satisfying I found this movie as a TOS fan. It seems to me that if ST2009 scores a 5/10 on the Trek purity meter, I'd probably bump this movie up to an 8. By the end, the characters are a lot more likeable than in the first movie, and the building blocks for who they become are much more firmly established. Essentially it just "felt" a lot more classic Trek to me.

Along with the amazing visual effects, rollicking pace which never lets up and a gobsmacking performance from BC, it's definitely worth the price of admission for even for the most jaded of fans.

 

[Therin of Andor]

I have 3 eyes, but the Third Eye Blind.

Do you also have a Final Front Ear?

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Khan is a title. It's not part of his name

Ah. Locutus agrees with me.

*pause*

Oh my God. Locutus agrees with me.

I like baseball too. It's like we're twins or something.

Yeah, I mentioned that's one of the reasons I thought Khan was the main villain way back before all the spoilers started pouring in.

I probably did read your theory and it stayed in the subconscious. Apologies.

Oh, no worries. I didn't mean it like that. I just wanted to brag about the name theory a little bit, especially since the rest of my theory about the plot was spectacularly wrong.

 

[Therin of Andor]

"Khaaaaaaaan!" "Wheeeeeeeeaton!" by Therin of Andor, on Flickr

 

[lurok]

The original 3D House of Wax was made by a one-eyed director. Quite Interesting fact, that.

 

[Deck 1 - Bridge]

SPOILER!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlAx6GZyPuQ

See how good BC is.

SPOILER!!

 

[Deck 1 - Bridge]

IF that's the case, and my comment about being a one eyed fan offended, then I apologise. It was offered in the context that some fans fail to see a bigger picture, a wider picture.

One presumes you'll be giving the 3D showing a miss then.

No offense, just a friendly jab. Hard to take offense at anything said here. And yes, I won't be going until a 2D showing on Thursday night.

I hope you enjoy it, I can't wait.

 

[throwback]

Ugh. I have this habit. It's an annoying habit really. If I think something is a fact, I check it out anyway, just to be sure.

What is Khan? Is it a title or a name? I checked the transcript site for the episode "Space Seed". It's a name.

Spock:

Name, Khan Noonien Singh.

I think I should have seen what was coming by the direction the comics took. Of the first dozen comics released, a majority were re-imaginings of episodes produced for the first series. This new film is a re-imagining of "Space Seed" and Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.

For me, I learned today that Alan Dean Foster is doing the novelization of this film. For the price of a ticket, I can buy the book and get the details if I have a burning curiosity about this film. (I loved the novelizations he did for the first Star Trek and Star Wars films. I felt they really fleshed out the universe for both.)

I do have this question. In the prime universe, he was betrothed to T'Pring, which by Vulcan law made her his wife. Is that the situation in this new universe, and if so, does that make Spock an adulterer for having a relationship with Uhura?

 

[BillJ]

I do have this question. In the prime universe, he was betrothed to T'Pring, which by Vulcan law made her his wife. Is that the situation in this new universe, and if so, does that make Spock an adulterer for having a relationship with Uhura?

Depends on a couple of things:

One, was Spock ever betrothed to T'Pring in the new timeline?

Two, was Spock an adulterer for having a relationship with Leila Kalomi from This Side of Paradise?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Two, was Spock an adulterer for having a relationship with Leila Kalomi from This Side of Paradise?

Dude, he was like super wasted, okay? It just happened.

He doesn't even remember it.

 

[BillJ]

Two, was Spock an adulterer for having a relationship with Leila Kalomi from This Side of Paradise?

Dude, he was like super wasted, okay? It just happened.

He doesn't even remember it.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Dude, he was like super wasted, okay? It just happened.

He doesn't even remember it.

"It didn't mean anything."

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Yeah, that always makes women feel better about it.

 

[Edge of Forever]

I do have this question. In the prime universe, he was betrothed to T'Pring, which by Vulcan law made her his wife. Is that the situation in this new universe, and if so, does that make Spock an adulterer for having a relationship with Uhura?

Depends on a couple of things:

One, was Spock ever betrothed to T'Pring in the new timeline?

Two, was Spock an adulterer for having a relationship with Leila Kalomi from This Side of Paradise?

Three, is T'Pring still alive. I'm just saying, with only 10'000 Vulcans left she very well maybe dead.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Let's not even bring up Zarabeth...

 

[RAMA]

http://trekmovie.com/2013/04/29/wat...rkness-berlin-premiere-starting-noon-eastern/

Live coverage of the Berlin premiere: These Germans know how to party.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Three, is T'Pring still alive. I'm just saying, with only 10'000 Vulcans left she very well maybe dead.

Even though the odds might be against it, for drama purposes it would probably be a good thing if she were alive. Not that we're likely to see her in the third movie.