Abrams turns Star Wars because of his "loyalty" to Trek

[Iamnotspock]

Unless you're implying that its a weird episode to dislike.

It's a fairly popular one, and is I think widely considered to be one of the better episodes of Voyager. There are certainly far more unpopular episodes of the series!!

 

[davejames]

I admit it DOES feel pretty weird to have a SW movie coming out without Lucas strongly involved (books and cartoons are one thing, but a movie??).

But after seeing what he did with the prequels, I think it's a feeling I can live with.

 

[Dream]

I admit it DOES feel pretty weird to have a SW movie coming out without Lucas strongly involved (books and cartoons are one thing, but a movie??).

Have you seen the guy lately? He got old very fast.

 

[Yoda]

Unless you're implying that its a weird episode to dislike.

It's a fairly popular one, and is I think widely considered to be one of the better episodes of Voyager. There are certainly far more unpopular episodes of the series!!

I could see not liking that episode. I can't see disliking it worse than say Melora from DS9 or Sub Rosa from TNG though.

 

[sidious618]

I admit it DOES feel pretty weird to have a SW movie coming out without Lucas strongly involved (books and cartoons are one thing, but a movie??).

Have you seen the guy lately? He got old very fast.

He's 68. He looks pretty good for it.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Hey, I've seen FINAL FRONTIER at least twice--and lived to tell!

I tried to watch it again. A few years ago I had gotten the box set of the TOS cast. And I was making my way through. And with Final Frontier, I was like, its been years... it can't be that bad...

And then I watched. And then I started fast forwarding... to the good parts... and then I stopped. Remembering: there are no good parts.

I have attempted no rewatch since.

 

[Dream]

I admit it DOES feel pretty weird to have a SW movie coming out without Lucas strongly involved (books and cartoons are one thing, but a movie??).

Have you seen the guy lately? He got old very fast.

He's 68. He looks pretty good for it.

I was talking more about the fact that he is too old to direct, or be strongly involved with making another blockbuster Star Wars trilogy.

Making another SW trilogy will take another 9 years of his life.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

TFF is worth it just to see Kirk throw a three-breasted catwoman into a tub of water (and possibly killing her? -- he's not concerned enough to check any way).

I always thought the intro was atmospheric but loses that pretty quickly.

 

[Aragorn]

Hey, I've seen FINAL FRONTIER at least twice--and lived to tell!

(Heck, I've lived through BATMAN & ROBIN, VAN HELSING, and HIGHLANDER 2: THE QUICKENING. I know what pain is.)

I saw Final Frontier once... in the theater! And that was the last time I ever watched it.

My little brother got dragged to it and was pissy and sleepy throughout the whole thing. I just assumed he was like that because it wasn't some big time action movie, but perhaps Final Frontier is what made him pissy and sleepy.

 

[sidious618]

I was talking more about the fact that he is too old to direct, or be strongly involved with making another blockbuster Star Wars trilogy.

Making another SW trilogy will take another 9 years of his life.

Sure he could. Clint Eastwood is in his 80s and still directing. Ridley Scott is in his mid 70s and is still directing. It has nothing to do with being too old and everything to do with what he's interested in. No one is "too old" until they're dead.

 

[Kelthaz]

Unless you're implying that its a weird episode to dislike.

That's the one. I can understand disliking the episode, but thinking it's the worst in all of Star Trek?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Star Trek was dead, of its own doing. Star Trek as it was, could no longer sustain itself. Is anybody seriously going to argue that Voyager and Enterprise were the pinnacle of television? Is anybody going to argue that Nemesis was a cinematic masterpiece? The franchise had become tired and irrelevant. Abrams took it, updated it, and made it something worthwhile again, If he had to pull some of the guts out to do it, then so be it. Slavish devotion to what came before only leads to stagnation.

I've said it before, if it was between him and being dead, it should have died.

No.

Millions of trek fans who loved the movie disagree.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Star Trek was dead, of its own doing. Star Trek as it was, could no longer sustain itself. Is anybody seriously going to argue that Voyager and Enterprise were the pinnacle of television? Is anybody going to argue that Nemesis was a cinematic masterpiece? The franchise had become tired and irrelevant. Abrams took it, updated it, and made it something worthwhile again, If he had to pull some of the guts out to do it, then so be it. Slavish devotion to what came before only leads to stagnation.

I've said it before, if it was between him and being dead, it should have died.

No.

Millions of trek fans who loved the movie disagree.

And the millions of others who paid to see the movie and enjoyed it.

 

[Dream]

I was talking more about the fact that he is too old to direct, or be strongly involved with making another blockbuster Star Wars trilogy.

Making another SW trilogy will take another 9 years of his life.

Sure he could. Clint Eastwood is in his 80s and still directing. Ridley Scott is in his mid 70s and is still directing. It has nothing to do with being too old and everything to do with what he's interested in. No one is "too old" until they're dead.

I think there is a difference. Eastwood only does small dramas these days, and Prometheus was the first Sci Fi movie Scott did in decades.

Star Wars is a huge undertaking. I have a feeling it was one of the biggest factors that led to Lucas' divorce.

 

[Aragorn]

I've said it before, if it was between him and being dead, it should have died.

There was someone here whose screen name escapes me at the moment, but he kept moving the goal posts back in regards to the 2009 movie, to the point where he was adamant that Star Trek was meant to appeal to a small audience and lose money. You two would probably hit it off well.

 

[shapeshifter]

Hey, I've seen FINAL FRONTIER at least twice--and lived to tell!

I tried to watch it again. A few years ago I had gotten the box set of the TOS cast. And I was making my way through. And with Final Frontier, I was like, its been years... it can't be that bad...

And then I watched. And then I started fast forwarding... to the good parts... and then I stopped. Remembering: there are no good parts.

I have attempted no rewatch since.

Dang-nabed impatient young-uns! Get off the lawn! :wink:

There are good parts, if a viewer is receptive to them. Not being receptive to them isn't necessarily a bad thing though. Perhaps it's a generational thing.

 

[Greg Cox]

Hey, I've seen FINAL FRONTIER at least twice--and lived to tell!

I tried to watch it again. A few years ago I had gotten the box set of the TOS cast. And I was making my way through. And with Final Frontier, I was like, its been years... it can't be that bad...

And then I watched. And then I started fast forwarding... to the good parts... and then I stopped. Remembering: there are no good parts.

I have attempted no rewatch since.

Dang-nabed impatient young-uns! Get off the lawn! :wink:

There are good parts, if a viewer is receptive to them. Not being receptive to them isn't necessarily a bad thing though. Perhaps it's a generational thing.

Hey, who are you calling a young-un? I remember when you had to stay up past bedtime to watch STAR TREK episodes on NBC . . . in living color!

 

[Ovation]

If you survived Highlander 2, you can survive just about anything (certainly anything Trek can throw at you).

 

[Professor Zoom]

Dang-nabed impatient young-uns! Get off the lawn! :wink:

There are good parts, if a viewer is receptive to them. Not being receptive to them isn't necessarily a bad thing though. Perhaps it's a generational thing.

I think that's the first time I've been called a young un in a very very long time.

If it's generational, what generation do you have to be a part of? The Greatest? The Lost? The Beat Generation?

If you survived Highlander 2, you can survive just about anything (certainly anything Trek can throw at you).

I did not survive Highlander 2... yeesh, the doctor's bills on that one.

 

[Greg Cox]

Dang-nabed impatient young-uns! Get off the lawn! :wink:

There are good parts, if a viewer is receptive to them. Not being receptive to them isn't necessarily a bad thing though. Perhaps it's a generational thing.

I think that's the first time I've been called a young un in a very very long time.

Ditto!