Do you think Star Trek needed a reboot?

[Greg Cox]

*Throw in a healthy dollop of bad buzz too Brent. People were bashing the film for months before it opened. Berman didn't kill Star Trek. Enterprise didn't kill Star Trek...WE KILLED STAR TREK.

Who says STAR TREK is dead? Seems alive and well to me.

 

[YARN]

What they've done is justify restarting the continuity of Star Trek over again from the point of its beginning - Kirk, Spock and the other crew serving aboard the Enterprise - by a plot contrivance which lets viewers attached to oldTrek say to themselves that the old continuity is not being ignored.

This is a reboot.

Of course it was a reboot. Indeed, I would have preferred a direct reboot without any pandering to the sensitivities surrounding these "realities" (e.g., promising fans that TNG, a fictional reality, was still "real.").

 

[Dale Sams]

*Throw in a healthy dollop of bad buzz too Brent. People were bashing the film for months before it opened. Berman didn't kill Star Trek. Enterprise didn't kill Star Trek...WE KILLED STAR TREK.

Who says STAR TREK is dead? Seems alive and well to me.

You mean Frankentrek?

Just kidding.

 

[Dale Sams]

What they've done is justify restarting the continuity of Star Trek over again from the point of its beginning - Kirk, Spock and the other crew serving aboard the Enterprise - by a plot contrivance which lets viewers attached to oldTrek say to themselves that the old continuity is not being ignored.

This is a reboot.

Of course it was a reboot. Indeed, I would have preferred a direct reboot without any pandering to the sensitivities surrounding these "realities" (e.g., promising fans that TNG, a fictional reality, was still "real.").

Was that for the videogame?

 

[T'Cal]

Before the 2009 film's success, my desire was to have Trek return to syndicated TV more as a 24th century show than strictly a TNG show. I have to admit that the reboot breathed new life into the franchise. I just hope that the Next Gen era is not done and that it returns in some form.

 

[YARN]

What they've done is justify restarting the continuity of Star Trek over again from the point of its beginning - Kirk, Spock and the other crew serving aboard the Enterprise - by a plot contrivance which lets viewers attached to oldTrek say to themselves that the old continuity is not being ignored.

This is a reboot.

Of course it was a reboot. Indeed, I would have preferred a direct reboot without any pandering to the sensitivities surrounding these "realities" (e.g., promising fans that TNG, a fictional reality, was still "real.").

Was that for the videogame?

Hmmmm? Not sure if serious....

My recollection is that of conciliatory interviews given by Orci assuring fans that they had not changed or erased the reality of TNG and everything that came after, that nuTrek was a branch connected to it, but separate from it so that no changes to the new timeline would "invalidate" what happened in prior shows.

 

[CorporalClegg]

t alone makes the film damn, damn good.

And before you respond, remember one can make *anything* sound stupid if you sneer enough.

"Psssssh...'Godfather'...should be 'OhGAWDfather'...amirite?"

Not sure what connection you're trying make, but sneering has nothing to do with it. WOK is conceptually weak. Its entire plot teeters over a massive chasm of contrivance. It relies heavily on wizardry to create (and resolve) conflict. And the wishy-washy theme stumbles in several parts to the inevitable point where the conceit contradicts the set-up.

The story is moving; the drama is engaging; the action is snappy; the moral strikes a chord; Montalban is a BAMF, all that stuff. But to appreciate any of that, you pretty much have to turn your brain off the second Chekov flips the belt buckle and realizes he's a double dumbass who's forgetful and can't count to six.

 

[Dale Sams]

t alone makes the film damn, damn good.

And before you respond, remember one can make *anything* sound stupid if you sneer enough.

"Psssssh...'Godfather'...should be 'OhGAWDfather'...amirite?"

Not sure what connection you're trying make, but sneering has nothing to do with it. WOK is conceptually weak. Its entire plot teeters over a massive chasm of contrivance. It relies heavily on wizardry to create (and resolve) conflict. And the wishy-washy theme stumbles in several parts to the inevitable point where the conceit contradicts the set-up.

The story is moving; the drama is engaging; the action is snappy; the moral strikes a chord; Montalban is a BAMF, all that stuff. But to appreciate any of that, you pretty much have to turn your brain off the second Chekov flips the belt buckle and realizes he's a double dumbass who's forgetful and can't count to six.

Yeah but most of ST relies on contrivance. Step on a butterfly in 2200 and the Alpha Quadrant gets destroyed in half a dozen ways.

I don't care that Chekov wasn't in season one, or that no one did actually bother to check up on Khan, or that Chekov (as you rightly point out) can't count to six or that Kirk possibly didn't even record the whole damn thing.

I care that Kirk never learned to lose and that Spocks death hurts that much more for it. I care that Meyer ingeniously has a clock-ticking sound going in the 'condo scene'. And that he got out of Shatner a level of acting we hadn't seen in 15 years.

But I respect your opinion.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Before the 2009 film's success, my desire was to have Trek return to syndicated TV more as a 24th century show than strictly a TNG show. I have to admit that the reboot breathed new life into the franchise. I just hope that the Next Gen era is not done and that it returns in some form.

Read the novels! 24th century Trek never went away, and the current stories have a better hit/miss ratio than the TV shows did.

 

[lurok]

This thread is so full of fail...(edited for brevity)

TL;DR

I did. I love a good well-written rant

 

[T'Cal]

Before the 2009 film's success, my desire was to have Trek return to syndicated TV more as a 24th century show than strictly a TNG show. I have to admit that the reboot breathed new life into the franchise. I just hope that the Next Gen era is not done and that it returns in some form.

Read the novels! 24th century Trek never went away, and the current stories have a better hit/miss ratio than the TV shows did.

Sound advice for most but I just don't have the time. I do, however, enjoy audiobooks and have about three dozen Trek ones but they stopped making them a while ago. Too bad. I'd be listening to anything TNG (Titan included) and I'd probably give DS9 and VOY a try as well. For some strange reason, iTunes has Titan novels in German only. Crazy.

Thanks!

 

[Ryan8bit]

I think anything in the 24th century following Voyager was somewhat ruined. A lot by "Endgame", but also DS9 changed a lot of things and set a lot of expectations. Every viewer would be wondering about the Dominion, but that shouldn't be a focus of Star Trek anymore.

 

[Shazam!]

WOK is conceptually weak. Its entire plot teeters over a massive chasm of contrivance. It relies heavily on wizardry to create (and resolve) conflict. And the wishy-washy theme stumbles in several parts to the inevitable point where the conceit contradicts the set-up.

Trek XI is conceptually weak. It's entire plot teeters over a massive chasm of contrivance. It relies heavily on wizardry to create (and resolve) conflict. And the wishy-washy theme stumbles in several parts to the inevitable point where the conceit contradicts the set-up.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Trek XI is conceptually weak. It's entire plot teeters over a massive chasm of contrivance. It relies heavily on wizardry to create (and resolve) conflict. And the wishy-washy theme stumbles in several parts to the inevitable point where the conceit contradicts the set-up.

First, you're doing wrong. If you're going to troll, at least do it right. Jesus.

Second, you missed the point of the entire exercise. But then again, you didn't read it.

 

[YARN]

Second, you missed the point of the entire exercise. But then again, you didn't read it.

You mean your geological rant? You're punny.

 

[Franklin]

Take the two most popular Trek movies in general. TWOK is a thirty year old movie. TVH is over twenty-five. When I paid money to see them in the theater when they were released, I walked out feeling thoroughly entertained. My friends and I would talk about the good and bad parts, then decide when we could get together to see them again.
Now, when I watch TWOK for maybe the twentieth time, parts can get tiresome. Heck, I'm thirty years older, too, and I'm bringing a different perspective to the movie every time I view it. Few things ever become timeless. That TWOK or TVH still provides any enetertainment value at all is probably amazing.

All I know is TWOK and TVH, flaws and all, have stood the test of time better than a lot of the music I listened to in the early and mid-1980s. "Classic Rock" my ass.

 

[Ovation]

There's your first mistake. "Classic Rock" is NOT from the 1980s. It is, of course, from the 1970s.

 

[Dale Sams]

I want to point out also that as very very good that Trek 2009 is...a large part of it is its budget, and the ability of Abrams to use his budget of course. But watch it again, man....look at all those great shots and locales!!

Shatner couldn't even get some damn rock creatures for TFF.

 

[Dale Sams]

Take the two most popular Trek movies in general. TWOK is a thirty year old movie. TVH is over twenty-five. When I paid money to see them in the theater when they were released, I walked out feeling thoroughly entertained. My friends and I would talk about the good and bad parts, then decide when we could get together to see them again.
Now, when I watch TWOK for maybe the twentieth time, parts can get tiresome. Heck, I'm thirty years older, too, and I'm bringing a different perspective to the movie every time I view it. Few things ever become timeless. That TWOK or TVH still provides any enetertainment value at all is probably amazing.

All I know is TWOK and TVH, flaws and all, have stood the test of time better than a lot of the music I listened to in the early and mid-1980s. "Classic Rock" my ass.

Well, a lot better than '80's movies' too, but there's a lot of good about new wave. Watch URGH! A MUSIC WAR. ****ing Nicki Minaj only wishes she could be so innovative.

 

[Nerys Myk]

There's your first mistake. "Classic Rock" is NOT from the 1980s. It is, of course, from the 1970s.

You're both wrong. "Classic Rock" is from the 1960s.