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The Star Trek Into Darkness teaser trailer is here!

And why does having that character in the movie mean the villain will be Mitchell? They did live in the same time and place.

It doesn't mean that it has to be Mitchell. What it does do is cause anyone with half a brain to go "Mitchell"- not "Oh look, identical twin from WNMHGB! Must be Khan as the villain!" You see? It's about deduction from the information. Not, induction despite the information.
 
looking carefully frame by frame, I say that the ship rises out of the sea IS NOT THE ENTERPRISE. The nacelles are very close to the ship body which appears tapered and not disk-shaped. It is another ship.

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Then explain why it has 1701 painted on it.

did you see it clearly? I see NCC. It is unclear that the first number is 1
 
I'm still in favor of the Mitchell theory for now, but those comparative pics mean nothing in regards to Mitchell unless we assume that if Elizabeth Dehner is in the movie then Gary absolutely has to be and vice versa. That's not a sure thing. It probably makes it more likely since both characters are associated with one another but it's certainly not carved in stone. Nothing this early on is.

And besides, very similar haircut or not J.J. could have pulled a fast one on us and that could be Carol Marcus for all we know. Carol theoretically had ties to both Kirk and Mitchell in the Prime timeline if you believe some theories about Gary's "little blonde lab technician" remark in the second TOS pilot.
 
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Then there is the poster which shows Cumberbatch in front of a bunch of destruction. Maybe it's Khan- but if I were a betting man (and I am) I'd put all my chips on Mitchell without blinking an eye.

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It's not Mitchell. :lol:

stfu nobody asked you. :lol: "you are legion" [universe translator]all kinds of stupid[/universal translator]
Now, I don't know - maybe this was a try at funny which didn't quite succeed. In the future, though, please don't call another poster stupid; it might be seen as flaming. :)
 
Seriously, how can any of you "non-Mitchellites" look at this picture:

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and not go, "Oh they look pretty much identical- I wonder why?"

It's mind-boggling. Even if it's not Mitchell, you should be deducing that it is just from the fact they look like twins.

First, because they don't look identical - they're two blonde actresses with short hair. I'm gonna guess that you're a guy, because you think those two hair styles are the same.

Second, because - aside from Quinto - Abrams has made a minimal attempt at best to cast actors in these movies who resemble their oldTrek antecedents. So suddenly he decides that it's so important that an actor look just like a minor character from fifty years ago that it's worth blowing his big surprise with the first release of publicity photos?

Uh-huh.

Here's a good game for you: try to explain why the resemblance you see between Alice Eve and "Dehner" is important and the fact that Cumberbatch doesn't resemble Lockwood and speaks with a British accent isn't important.

You can't, so I'll save you the trouble and explain it for you: you're indulging in "confirmation bias."

It's not Mitchell. :guffaw:
 
And why does having that character in the movie mean the villain will be Mitchell? They did live in the same time and place.

Because it wouldn't make any sense to mix and match to that degree. I don't think Dehner was that interesting of a character by herself, but paired with Mitchell, it makes sense. They're from the same original story.

I can't imagine TPTB writing a story where Carol Marcus and Garth of Izar fight with bat'leths on Betazed, could you? If the writers aren't careful, this whole thing will start to look like the Shatnerverse. :lol:

Then again, like I said before, they've screwed up films in the past, and they'll probably screw up again in the future. I'm sure TPTB has a few more Threshold's and Profit and Lace's left in them.
 
Let's see, now....let's list the most common theories as to the identity of Cumberbatch's character and see where we stand:

1. Gary Mitchell.
2. Khan Noonien Singh.
3. Captain Garth of Izar.
4. Gary Seven.

I won't list the Lazarus, Trelane, Charlie Evans or Roger Korby theories because, well, those posters in all likelihood have their tongues planted firmly in cheek and are winking as we speak. The four above seem to be the ones receiving serious consideration and treatment from the fanbase.

He's playing Trip Tucker, out for revenge against Berman, Braga and UPN.
 
I'm still in favor of the Mitchell theory for now, but those comparative pics mean nothing in regards to Mitchell unless we assume that if Elizabeth Dehner is in the movie then Gary absolutely has to be and vice versa. That's not a sure thing. It makes it more likely since both characters are associated with one another but it's certainly not carved in stone.

For that to be true, Abrams has to write dialogue and include a superfluous character in the movie to what end? Fool the fans prior to the movie release? That is complete lunacy my friend. Lunacy.

And besides, almost identical haircut or not J.J. could have pulled a fast one on us and that could be Carol Marcus for all we know. Carol theoretically had ties to both Kirk and Mitchell in the Prime timeline if you believe some theories about Gary's "little blonde lab technician" remark in the second TOS pilot.

Crimeny you people! This is why we can't have nice things.
 
I really hope they are not going to burn/kill off Pike. He was one of the few good things about the last movie. I think the next set of films would be better with him in it.

I just watched the trailer again and if it is a funeral scene could it be for Archer? He is referenced in ST09 and must be very old by Kirk's era? Of course it could be a son or grandson who lost his pet beagle.

It's possible that the person dying at the end of the trailer is indeed Pike, and the funeral is his funeral. That would make sense to me, but we have no evidence yet to back any of that up.

Actually, I feel like Pike's death could be quite poignant and give Kirk more of a reason for vengeance himself, since Pike was a mentor to him. Kirk needs to come out from under Pike's shadow in a sense and become the Kirk we've known from the prime universe. That's a basic young crazy kid to adult hero character arc.

I like the idea of Archer's funeral, but that's only coming from a fan of Enterprise, and I really, sincerely doubt they would reference Enterprise in anything else other than a quick, throwaway line. Not enough people seeing the film would have seen that series, the least popular of them all.

True not enough fans have seen Enterprise but I don't think we need to have Pike killed off just to motivate Kirk. I think that's just a very obvious plot device to bump off a beloved but not main character just to cause emotional distress.

It may not even be a funeral however. I definitely hope it's not the beagles.:confused:
 
And why does having that character in the movie mean the villain will be Mitchell? They did live in the same time and place.

It doesn't mean that it has to be Mitchell. What it does do is cause anyone with half a brain to go "Mitchell"- not "Oh look, identical twin from WNMHGB! Must be Khan as the villain!" You see? It's about deduction from the information. Not, induction despite the information.

All those pics tell us is that Elizabeth Dehner might be in the movie. JJ has all of TOS to pick and choose people from, but he also has another timeline and does not have to follow any scripts with those people other than basic personality traits.
 
looking carefully frame by frame, I say that the ship rises out of the sea IS NOT THE ENTERPRISE. The nacelles are very close to the ship body which appears tapered and not disk-shaped. It is another ship.

stid-t1-19-tt.jpg

Then explain why it has 1701 painted on it.

did you see it clearly? I see NCC. It is unclear that the first number is 1

ncc1701water.jpg


But seriously, how can the scene be for anything other than the Enterprise, she's unique in design, the hero ship of the franchise, the focal point of much of the movie.

I literally cannot fucking believe this is even an issue.
 
Why would Carol be in Starfleet? That theory makes the least sense.

Oh, I'm not saying it's her at all. I still lean in the direction of Dehner but in J.J.'s alternate timeline post-2233 Carol could have enlisted in Starfleet to further pursue her scientific career in the service instead of an independent civilian route. J.J. has license to change what he wants now that history's been altered in the wake of Nero's arrival.

I don't think he did, but that's a theory for whatever it's worth.
 
Then explain why it has 1701 painted on it.

did you see it clearly? I see NCC. It is unclear that the first number is 1

ncc1701water.jpg


But seriously, how can the scene be for anything other than the Enterprise, she's unique in design, the hero ship of the franchise, the focal point of much of the movie.

I literally cannot fucking believe this is even an issue.

Ok. It is Enterprise. Thanks :techman:
 
Why would Carol be in Starfleet? That theory makes the least sense.

Oh, I'm not saying it's her at all. I still lean in the direction of Dehner but in J.J.'s alternate timeline post-2233 Carol could have enlisted in Starfleet to further pursue her scientific career in the service instead of an independent civilian route. J.J. has license to change what he wants now that history's been altered in the wake of Nero's arrival.

I don't think he did, but that's a theory for whatever it's worth.

Yeah, you're right, maybe it's as good as any weirdo theory we're coming up with. ;)
 
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