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Things I Do Not Want To See In A New Star Trek Series

By the way, in regards to robots in Star Trek, didn't one of the early Trek producers (don't know if it was GR himself or not ) actually say something to the effect that "Star Trek doesn't do robots".

Maybe they just meant men in clunky metal suits. Because we had androids and mechanical lifeforms in numerous eps: "Requiem for Methuselah" (Rayna and Flint's household robot), "What are Little Girls Made Of?," "The Changeling," and "Return to Tomorrow" (where they were building new robot bodies for Sargon and company).

And that's not counting all the sentient computers.

Plus, Roddenberry himself tried to launch a series about an advanced android: "The Questor Tapes."

I realize that.

Still, I think that overall I would keep robots, androids, and A.I.s out of Star Trek. Keep them "in universe". Just do not have them appear in any episodes whatsoever.
 
By the way, in regards to robots in Star Trek, didn't one of the early Trek producers (don't know if it was GR himself or not ) actually say something to the effect that "Star Trek doesn't do robots".

Maybe they just meant men in clunky metal suits. Because we had androids and mechanical lifeforms in numerous eps: "Requiem for Methuselah" (Rayna and Flint's household robot), "What are Little Girls Made Of?," "The Changeling," and "Return to Tomorrow" (where they were building new robot bodies for Sargon and company).

And that's not counting all the sentient computers.

Plus, Roddenberry himself tried to launch a series about an advanced android: "The Questor Tapes."

I realize that.

Still, I think that overall I would keep robots, androids, and A.I.s out of Star Trek. Keep them "in universe". Just do not have them appear in any episodes whatsoever.

Just curious: why? What's wrong with having robots and androids on a sci-fi space show? Especially when they've been part of the universe for forty-plus years now? Where's the harm?

Because androids are . . . what? Corny? Unrealistic? Overused? Icky?

I honestly don't see the problem.
 
Discounting any plot or plot device sounds foolish to me. If its good it's good, no matter how many times its been done before.
 
Aliens of the week are a pretty much a given on a weekly sci-fi show
We won't get AOTWs because the wholly episodic approach will never return because the wholly episodic approach is a broadcast format, and Star Trek needs to be on cable to survive
Don't know about that, there are certainly enough cable shows with guest stars, which is really what AOTW were. Guess stars on a new Star Trek could still be that weeks victim or villain like on any other cable show, just with a costume or makeup that makes them an alien.

You keep saying this over and over but you never provide any actual proof. While CBS (Trek's owner) continues to pump out shows that are episodic in nature and they're the number one network in the United States.
Good observation, CBS would likely want to stick with what works for them in terms of format. Although I could see CBS moving Star Trek onto cable if they thought it was the best way to market it.

I know nanobots were never a significant thing in modern Trek
Seven of Nine's body was full of them, they were mentioned frequently.

Because androids are . . . what? Corny? Unrealistic? Overused? Icky?
Having a second "Data-like" main character might be a poor idea. But that doesn't mean there should be no artificial beings at all.

:)
 
Because androids are . . . what? Corny? Unrealistic? Overused? Icky?
Having a second "Data-like" main character might be a poor idea. But that doesn't mean there should be no artificial beings at all.

:)
They were trying to cram B-4 down our throats at the end of NEM.

Trying to repeat an android character would just be seen as a cheap knock-off of Data, and unless the character was excellently written and acted then it would be a disaster IMHO.

Ships are essentially run by the computer's AI so it will always be there and should be fully utilised as a tool. VOY did an episode that featured alien robots, so it had been covered from many angles. Acknowledge they exist but leave it at that (unless they came up with a seriously badass episode or arch that included them--but please nothing on their rights).

They should try to think up new and different aliens/beings to crew the next ship. I wouldn't mind seeing something like Ensign Jitercia (from the Stargazer books), something very alien so as to study and understand the human condition (though I doubt that would ever happen due to budgets, special effects and the nature of television).
 
I already gave my .02, but I'm giving .02 more! Above all else, the one thing I don't want to see in a new Trek series is: technobabble as conflict resolution. Technobabble is fine, outlandish science is fine, made-up anomalies are fine, etc. etc. But there came a point when the crux of the episode depended on some hocus pocus rather than the strength of the characters. The best episodes in Trek were solved through the characters' personalities, or at the very least, if there really was a technobabble solution, it was because of something deep in them (ie, Data's plan of shutting down the Borg Cube only worked because Picard's humanity was resisting Locutus and shut down the defenses that were blocking Data). Characters should come first and be built up accordingly, the science and tech should be secondary. After all, Trek is about the human adventure.
 
Nope. That was what nearly killed Trek. It had begun to take itself too seriously. It was turning off all but hardcore Trekkies. It needed to lighten up some. While no one is suggesting that Trek becomes a comedy or parody, Star Trek XI was a reminder of how fun Trek can be, while still being an action-adventure saga.
I like Tribbles or Night in Sickbay but good stories like In the Pale Moonlight, Inner Light or City are always serious.
Today it is trendy to go down the postmodern path of eternal self-irony and self-relativization. May Trek stay far away from it.
 
Things I don't want to see in a new Star Trek series:

1. Reboots of TOS, TNG, DS9 and Voyager.

2. Any references to the annihilation of Data, janeway's death in the books or the humiliation and destruction of Kes in the crap episodes "Fury" and "The Gift".

3. The doom and gloom scenario we had to stand in NuBSG and Stargate Universe.

4. Screwing up of established Trek history.

5. A series where the looks and lovelife of the characters are more important than telling a good story.
 
#9- Drop the letter suffix from the Enterprise registry.

For that matter, eliminate the "NCC-1701" numbers entirely. Does anyone really know or care that the current aircraft carrier Enterprise is CVN-65 and that its predecessor was CV-6 (IIRC)?
 
#8- Nanobots- I know nanobots were never a significant thing in modern Trek as the idea hasn't seemed to have been around forever but I've read enough recent science fiction to know they are fast on their way to becoming a real deux ex machina.

Need to change your appearance? Nanobots can do that Need healed from some severe injury or disease? Nanobots can do that.

By the way, in regards to robots in Star Trek, didn't one of the early Trek producers (don't know if it was GR himself or not ) actually say something to the effect that "Star Trek doesn't do robots".


Its not a deux ex machina if they really can do those things, and likely they will be able to, not in a 300 year time span but 30-50. That's how really impactful this technology will be.
 
Nope. That was what nearly killed Trek. It had begun to take itself too seriously. It was turning off all but hardcore Trekkies. It needed to lighten up some. While no one is suggesting that Trek becomes a comedy or parody, Star Trek XI was a reminder of how fun Trek can be, while still being an action-adventure saga.
I like Tribbles or Night in Sickbay but good stories like In the Pale Moonlight, Inner Light or City are always serious.
Today it is trendy to go down the postmodern path of eternal self-irony and self-relativization. May Trek stay far away from it.
And so not what I was talking about. As I said before, no one is suggesting that Trek becomes a comedy or parody, but it definitely needed to remove the stick up its ass. Recent Trek had begun to believe in its own self-importance and was becoming rather insular.
 
Aliens of the week are a pretty much a given on a weekly sci-fi show
We won't get AOTWs because the wholly episodic approach will never return because the wholly episodic approach is a broadcast format, and Star Trek needs to be on cable to survive
Don't know about that, there are certainly enough cable shows with guest stars, which is really what AOTW were. Guess stars on a new Star Trek could still be that weeks victim or villain like on any other cable show, just with a costume or makeup that makes them an alien.

Good observation, CBS would likely want to stick with what works for them in terms of format. Although I could see CBS moving Star Trek onto cable if they thought it was the best way to market it.

I know nanobots were never a significant thing in modern Trek
Seven of Nine's body was full of them, they were mentioned frequently.

Because androids are . . . what? Corny? Unrealistic? Overused? Icky?
Having a second "Data-like" main character might be a poor idea. But that doesn't mean there should be no artificial beings at all.

:)

Artifical Intelligence of all kinds should be proliferating, not kept to a minimum. It makes no technological sense whatsoever.
 
If you don't like any of the elememts you've mentioned (which are pretty much the backbone of Star Trek) maybe, Mr./Miss/Mrs. Knight Templar, you should watch something else. In fact I would suggest you avoid watching any new Star Trek film or TV production since they will most certainly contain the elements you don't like. I mean FFS when you're even getting pissy about the ship registy it's time to walk away and find something else to watch.
 
You sir, I mean Mr Knight Templar, you sound absolutely like you want another Battlestar Galactica series ...
 
Oh please no..I don´t want a Star Battlestar Galactica Trek.
What is it with sci-fi / fantasy shows nowadays anyway...why has everything to be dystopia / doom and gloom?
 
You sir, I mean Mr Knight Templar, you sound absolutely like you want another Battlestar Galactica series ...

I liked old Battlestar: Galactica (aside from the 70s kiddie elements like kids and robots).

I hate the new Battlestar: Galactica.

Funny. I'm the opposite. I never liked the original, even when it was first airing, and thought the new version was better by several orders of magnitude.
 
I disagree with you I want to see more android and holodeck but I really want to see some new technology like faster warp and more of the traveler and mostly I want more Q
 
I disagree with you I want to see more android and holodeck but I really want to see some new technology like faster warp and more of the traveler and mostly I want more Q

Why in the name of heaven would anyone want to see more of Q?

A horrendously bad idea from Encounter At Farpoint onward.
 
I disagree with you I want to see more android and holodeck but I really want to see some new technology like faster warp and more of the traveler and mostly I want more Q

Why in the name of heaven would anyone want to see more of Q? .

Because he's an engaging, entertaining character who brings a nice, snarky sense of humor to the proceedings and has contributed to several classic episodes: "Q Who?" and "Tapestry" and "All Good Things," most notably.

And enormously popular, too. My "Q Continuum" trilogy are probably still my bestselling books, for which I give all credit to Q and John DeLancie. I'm still getting royalties on those books even after all these years . . .

So, yeah, he seems like a good idea to me! :)
 
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