Knight Templar
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Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility
You have actual evidence of this?
You have actual evidence of this?
Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility be?
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Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility
Given the number of children in foster care without adoptive parents? Yes there's evidence of this. Especially given most adopting couples want pretty white babies and not preschool aged ethnic children.
In knock it off with this "genetic heritage" thing as it it just sounds like your own personal genetic legacy reins supreme over everything else like we still live in the 15th century and such nonsense matters anymore.
To flip it on it's side, if "genetic heritage" is so damn important should you be allowed to find the genetically perfect woman and force her to have your child?
And how does a woman carrying your "genetic heritage" really impact you? The child doesn't have to have your last name, other than you supporting it no one has to know its yours nor does it need to be part of your family line.
"Genetic Heritage"
Given the number of children in foster care without adoptive parents? Yes there's evidence of this. Especially given most adopting couples want pretty white babies and not preschool aged ethnic children.
In knock it off with this "genetic heritage" thing as it it just sounds like your own personal genetic legacy reins supreme over everything else like we still live in the 15th century and such nonsense matters anymore.
To flip it on it's side, if "genetic heritage" is so damn important should you be allowed to find the genetically perfect woman and force her to have your child?
And how does a woman carrying your "genetic heritage" really impact you? The child doesn't have to have your last name, other than you supporting it no one has to know its yours nor does it need to be part of your family line.
"Genetic Heritage"
Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility
Shiny, white, non-disabled children, no. Children with disabilities or without white skin have been scorned by God, see, so they deserve to languish.
Thank you, Kestra, for taking the effort to point out the bleeding obvious that all children need to be cared for. What I asked before, and what I'd still like to know, is how those children are going to be cared for and by whom. I'm talking actual, concrete guardians and actual, concrete plans for accommodation and, in the case of disabled children, full and easy access to any and all therapies they require.
As if that's going to happen.
As I said earlier, there are thousands of disabled children right here, right now who are not adopted. If we can't adequately care for all the children in our countries right now, dumping thousands upon thousands more children into the very same system will be catastrophic. Anyone who wishes this upon a child is less than human.
Shiny, white, non-disabled children, no. Children with disabilities or without white skin have been scorned by God, see, so they deserve to languish.
Thank you, Kestra, for taking the effort to point out the bleeding obvious that all children need to be cared for. What I asked before, and what I'd still like to know, is how those children are going to be cared for and by whom. I'm talking actual, concrete guardians and actual, concrete plans for accommodation and, in the case of disabled children, full and easy access to any and all therapies they require.
As if that's going to happen.
As I said earlier, there are thousands of disabled children right here, right now who are not adopted. If we can't adequately care for all the children in our countries right now, dumping thousands upon thousands more children into the very same system will be catastrophic. Anyone who wishes this upon a child is less than human.
Knight Templar
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Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility
How many newborns go right into the foster care system.
Make adoption cheaper, make the severing of parental rights easier and total and the number of adoptions should skyrocket.
Given the number of children in foster care without adoptive parents?
How many newborns go right into the foster care system.
Make adoption cheaper, make the severing of parental rights easier and total and the number of adoptions should skyrocket.
Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility
Besides, the woman should have the freedom to protect and secure her genetic heritage. There's no reason to sully the line of her mother and father with some inferior's spawn.
Given the number of children in foster care without adoptive parents? Yes there's evidence of this. Especially given most adopting couples want pretty white babies and not preschool aged ethnic children.
In knock it off with this "genetic heritage" thing as it it just sounds like your own personal genetic legacy reins supreme over everything else like we still live in the 15th century and such nonsense matters anymore.
To flip it on it's side, if "genetic heritage" is so damn important should you be allowed to find the genetically perfect woman and force her to have your child?
And how does a woman carrying your "genetic heritage" really impact you? The child doesn't have to have your last name, other than you supporting it no one has to know its yours nor does it need to be part of your family line.
"Genetic Heritage"
Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility
Probably few but I'm sure some still do before getting adopted.
Probably few but I'm sure some still do before getting adopted.
Knight Templar
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Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility
My point exactly.
My point exactly.
Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility
Here's an idea: in the land of fluffy clouds and inferior acid where the right to an abortion has been revoked and all fetuses are carried full-term, people who wish to adopt these children have no say in which child they will be given. No choice at all. Not gender, not ability, not ethnic background, not skin colour, no knowledge of birth parents, nothing. Just like pregnancy, you get what you're given, and you live with it, literally. Great way to ensure that non-white and disabled kids are adopted too, right? After all, this is what happens (okay, minus the skin colour bit) to all pregnant women, right? So why should anti-abortion adoptive parents have any choice? They should love any child they're given, just like biological parents are expected to do.
So, how many people would have second thoughts about adopting now, eh?
Here's an idea: in the land of fluffy clouds and inferior acid where the right to an abortion has been revoked and all fetuses are carried full-term, people who wish to adopt these children have no say in which child they will be given. No choice at all. Not gender, not ability, not ethnic background, not skin colour, no knowledge of birth parents, nothing. Just like pregnancy, you get what you're given, and you live with it, literally. Great way to ensure that non-white and disabled kids are adopted too, right? After all, this is what happens (okay, minus the skin colour bit) to all pregnant women, right? So why should anti-abortion adoptive parents have any choice? They should love any child they're given, just like biological parents are expected to do.
So, how many people would have second thoughts about adopting now, eh?
Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility
Some still end up in the system and minority children are more likely to end up in the system. And there's still older children in the foster-care/adoption system.
But... But... My Surname Heritage!
Some still end up in the system and minority children are more likely to end up in the system. And there's still older children in the foster-care/adoption system.
But... But... My Surname Heritage!
Knight Templar
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Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility
I recall that I also suggested abstinence, the use of contraception, and the development of better contraception than what we currently have.
And I also said that individual goodwill is in theory the best method but that at this time, individuals have not shown the necessary willingness to sacrifice. I addressed and acknowledged that drawback head-on, yet that acknowledgment seems to have been missed. Stepping it up by individuals in a MAJOR way will be required if ever the social functions currently held by the government are to be moved into the private sector.
And if a gay couple adopts, OK. Nothing to get riled up about.
Again, it seems you didn't pay attention to the full position, only handpicking the parts that you felt you could get some good rhetoric from.
I recall that I also suggested abstinence, the use of contraception, and the development of better contraception than what we currently have.
And I also said that individual goodwill is in theory the best method but that at this time, individuals have not shown the necessary willingness to sacrifice. I addressed and acknowledged that drawback head-on, yet that acknowledgment seems to have been missed. Stepping it up by individuals in a MAJOR way will be required if ever the social functions currently held by the government are to be moved into the private sector.
And if a gay couple adopts, OK. Nothing to get riled up about.
Again, it seems you didn't pay attention to the full position, only handpicking the parts that you felt you could get some good rhetoric from.
Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility
That would be fine with me as well.
That would be fine with me as well.
Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility
One must admire your adamant refusal to answer any practical question.
One must admire your adamant refusal to answer any practical question.
Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility
It may be fine with a few people...but I'm happy to let the "land of fluffy clouds and inferior acid" stay right where it is.
Women have been fighting for equal rights for a very long time. That fight continues to this day. The most basic right is the control of your own life. There are a lot of women who have plans for their lives that do not include motherhood. For the most part they are responsible with their birth control. If that birth control fails, those women cannot be forced to be brood mares for couples who want more children, guarantee of child placement or not.
It may be fine with a few people...but I'm happy to let the "land of fluffy clouds and inferior acid" stay right where it is.
Women have been fighting for equal rights for a very long time. That fight continues to this day. The most basic right is the control of your own life. There are a lot of women who have plans for their lives that do not include motherhood. For the most part they are responsible with their birth control. If that birth control fails, those women cannot be forced to be brood mares for couples who want more children, guarantee of child placement or not.
Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility
but some people in this very thread are tired of hearing about other people's rights.
of course don't you dare tread on their rights though.
but some people in this very thread are tired of hearing about other people's rights.
of course don't you dare tread on their rights though.
Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility
I can't believe that a woman would willingly have sex with you.
And she's your wife.
I can't believe that a woman would willingly have sex with you.
And she's your wife.
Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility
Seconded.
Seconded.
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