Same Sex Marriage
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Teenaged Vulcan boys have it practiced to a fine art"No such thing as the Vulcan Death Grip"...sure
In Voyager, the Vulcan that works with Be'Lanna in Engineering went through his first one during the Series, and the Doctor set him up with a HoloProgram to get him through it (He was extremely reluctant at first, but, once the deed was done, he was very relaxed, especially for a VulcanHave the next series be all Vulcan? Fascinating
Even they have Pon Farr, and in the extended novelverse, they do take partners they feel most comfortable and safe with when it happens, be it same or opposite gender.
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It sounds so perverted when you state it like that, LOL
Who wouldn't use a holodeck for sexual gratification/relief/fetishes if they had access to one?
Hear, hear. (claps). No character should be defined by their sexual orientation. It's just part of the overall person. I don't need to see heavy hetero sex on Trek either (Enterprise was over the top with a lot of that. And don't get me started on BSG). Just make it a character trait to fill out the people on the show/movie whatever. When they cross the line into Star Trek Voyeur, I have issues. Making same sex relationships commonplace and hardly noticed (if at all by the characters) makes the point a lot more strongly that having an extended scene of two guys snogging in their quarters (I'm looking at you Phase 2). Nobody on the series said "hey, look Uhura's black" (except Abe Lincoln - and that exchange wasn't nearly as powerful as just having her there). Sometimes no comment is the loudest statement of all.
All races and sexual orientations should be presented as commonplace. I think that's the best way to show "how far humanity has come."
But if Uhura was female, black and gay, and you wanted the audience to be aware of all three attributes, you would have to point out the gay aspect of her, otherwise the audience would only know she was female and black.ssosmcin;6455170OTE said:
If no dialog or on screen moment told you that some Trills had a "slug in the gut," how would you have known?
But if Uhura was female, black and gay, and you wanted the audience to be aware of all three attributes, you would have to point out the gay aspect of her, otherwise the audience would only know she was female and black.
If no dialog or on screen moment told you that some Trills had a "slug in the gut," how would you have known?
Oh, I didn't mean nobody can ever mention it, I was agreeing that there's no need to make a big deal out of it. Just presnt it as a normal fact of life. That way we don't have "the gay character" any more than we have "the black character" or "the Asian character."
I think what you mean is that not making a fuss about it is better because it shows that people in the future do not make a fuss about it whereas something like STNV's "Blood and Fire" has put the 'great progressive Trek story with gay characters' sticker upon itself.
That's exactly it. And it's going to take some very careful, very thoughtful writing to do that, something none of the previous Trek writers have attempted and probably won't until we get a new show, if at all.
Except that Uhura was the black character, she was there deliberately to make a point in the 'sixties. Sulu was the Asian character, LaForge was the blind character, when he was made un-blind, sight impaired people protested. Jadzia/Ezra were the joined Trill character, it was a focus point of her identity. Spock was the Vulcan character, a defining aspect of who and what he was. When we finally (after way too long) get our gay main character ...
I WANT HIM TO BE FRICKIN' GAY !!!!!!!!
I want his shirt to come off, and I want him kissing another male openly while it's off. I want it to be as clear as the show is allowed to depict it that he is fukking other males, top-bottom-switch whatever. He starts his morning off with a protein shake (wink). I want him to fall in love, then get his heart broken. And then have a new guy the next week like nothing happen.
Identically to the way dozens of Star Trek heterosexuals have let it be known without the slightest doubt what they have going on, have him do too, to the exact same degree.
None of this: "oh, and he's gay too ... but in no special way." Huh?
Kirk: "Spock, I know this place where the boys are so ... "
Who wouldn't want to see that? (Though only if they had body hair)
So many replies I could make to that, some of which could probably get me banned
That's what I'd like to see as well (though the bed-hopping would be used by bigots out there to reinforce the sexual deviance of gay men, blah blah blah, even though Kirk, Riker, Bashir, etc did it all the time).
His/her sexuality would be used to develop the character due the people he/she dates/sleeps with, but they need to have more to them than just that. So long as they aren't a raging queen I'd be happy.
Lt. M'Rest: "Did you check out our new transfer Lt. S'frk?"
Lt. Lissan th'Zarath: "Ohhh yes! She can stroke my antenae anytime!"
Lt. Lissan th'Zarath: "Ohhh yes! She can stroke my antenae anytime!"
A gay character drinking protein shakes, screwing around and not having a heart? This is precisely the kind of stupid clichée that Trek should avoid at all costs.Except that Uhura was the black character, she was there deliberately to make a point in the 'sixties. Sulu was the Asian character, LaForge was the blind character, when he was made un-blind, sight impaired people protested. Jadzia/Ezra were the joined Trill character, it was a focus point of her identity. Spock was the Vulcan character, a defining aspect of who and what he was. When we finally (after way too long) get our gay main character ...
I WANT HIM TO BE FRICKIN' GAY !!!!!!!!
I want his shirt to come off, and I want him kissing another male openly while it's off. I want it to be as clear as the show is allowed to depict it that he is fukking other males, top-bottom-switch whatever. He starts his morning off with a protein shake (wink). I want him to fall in love, then get his heart broken. And then have a new guy the next week like nothing happen.
Identically to the way dozens of Star Trek heterosexuals have let it be known without the slightest doubt what they have going on, have him do too, to the exact same degree.
None of this: "oh, and he's gay too ... but in no special way." Huh?
Kirk: "Spock, I know this place where the boys are so ... "
Despite its problems Blood and Fire was far better than your suggestion because it was about two men who are about to marry, something that is denied to homosexual people in the real world in many places.
Perhaps it also convinces the one or other conservative fellow to change his mind. There are two people who love each other, who wanna make a commitment to each other and create a family. Sounds like the first thing a conservative guy should support.
I am not saying there is something essentially wrong with the equivalent of a homosexual Kirk but I view it as more important that Trek portrays homosexual people as what they are, ordinary people. This eighties, CSD "we screw around like crazy" kind of thing has just been a response to homophobia. All homosexual people I know are living boring, ordinary and monogamous lives.
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