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Green Lantern Series

Did you see big bang theory a couple weeks back where Sheldon bought his way out of the Dog House with Blossom by buying her a Tiara?

"Its a TiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiARA!"

You know how Nuns are married to god?

Hal has been at this for nearly 20 years and finally someone mentions to him, that the ring is literally a wedding ring...

Actually that makes a whole lot of sense with that whole you're not allowed a girlfriend rule they used to have in the Bronze Age of comics.
 
Yes because cosmic energy giving people super powers instead of radiation sickness is so realistic. As is the giant human guy who eats the life forces of planets. :rolleyes:

I'm simply saying that the whole "emotional spectrum" stuff is no less silly than the conceits of past eras of comics. It gets played up as this grand, innovative new take on the franchise, but it just seems like adding more silliness.

And different ideas can be equally unrealistic yet not be equally satisfying from a creative or dramatic perspective. Galactus is sheer fantasy, yes, but there's a compelling and thought-provoking story idea behind him, the notion that an entity can be unimaginably dangerous and destructive yet not evil, that even a predator on such a scale has a right to exist because he's just doing what comes naturally. There's an engaging ambiguity there, a philosophical complexity.

Conversely, creating a bunch of duplicate Lantern Corps each powered by a different color-coded emotion may add complication, but not necessarily complexity. If anything, it seems to oversimplify the idea of emotion, reducing each emotion to some pure cosmic absolute -- and making a rather limited selection of emotions to constitute its "spectrum." What's the color of sadness, or amusement, or loneliness, or disappointment, or ironic contempt, or generalized free-floating ennui? Not to mention that it oversimplifies the storytelling if all the organizations, good, bad, and neutral, are ring-bearing lantern corps of one hue or another. That would be like having all of Superman's foes be the last survivors of their respective planets, or having all of Batman's foes be billionaire martial artists with state-of-the-art crime-causing technology. Sure, lots of heroes have villains who are their evil counterparts -- Iron Man has Titanium Man and Iron Monger, Dr. Strange has Baron Mordo, the X-Men have the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, etc. But they aren't all just copies of the hero. Iron Man also has the Mandarin, the X-Men have the Sentinels, and the like. Reducing the whole GL mythos to a clash of different types of power ring just seems to be repetitive.

And why do they all use rings and lanterns anyway? I guess it makes sense for the Zamarons if they're an offshoot of the Guardians. And the blue lantern was created by Ganthet in the show, so that makes sense. But why do Atrocitus's forces duplicate the technology of the Guardians? They were attacked by Manhunters, not Green Lanterns, so that couldn't have been the basis for the imitation.
 
Classically (mid 80s?) I recall the Manhunters originally did have lanterns but they used what looks like guns to utilize green energy from their lanterns which post zero ho, i mean post final Cris... I mean post New 52 doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
 
Yeah, the old Manhunters were originally shown with more rectangular lanterns and guns.

While the yellow impurity does make the Lantern have to think more, it also lead to things like Goldface. :p
 
Yeah, the old Manhunters were originally shown with more rectangular lanterns and guns.

While the yellow impurity does make the Lantern have to think more, it also lead to things like Goldface. :p

Goldface can't fly. Use the ring to drill a hole into the ground under him. Keep drilling till his gold ass hits the molten core or Australia, whichever comes first.

Thinking makes the comics fun!
 
Well, that's kind of my point. I think the existence of Goldface serves as evidence that some writers didn't think. ;)

I'm fine with the way they had things a few years ago (and seemingly have them now), the rookies still have trouble with yellow, as do veteran Lanterns who experience fear. While the Lanterns themselves might not have to think as much, it does bring an interesting element of a psychological weakness. I think, therefore, that all Lanterns should always be careful around yellow.

I will concede though that without the yellow weakness you get cases where, to compensate, writers have to "cheat" at times. By that I mean that some bad guys during Kyle's time as the sole-GL seemed to be able to break his constructs easily, while others had trouble. We also had a lot more instances where writers had to come up with other ways to exploit the limitations of the ring (such as Sonar being able to use sound to disrupt a ring bearer's willpower, the various ways Grant Morrison came up with to disable Kyle such as Prometheus' "Neural Chaff" and Maggedon's weapon which made Kyle unable to work the ring. Mark Waid also exploited a weakness when he temporarily blinded Kyle).
 
some do... there's plenty of GL's out there that have killed quite happily during their run...

Sinestro (When he was a GL), Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner, Jack T Chance, Laira... to name but a few that i can think of off the top of my head...

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Well, that's kind of my point. I think the existence of Goldface serves as evidence that some writers didn't think. ;)

I'm fine with the way they had things a few years ago (and seemingly have them now), the rookies still have trouble with yellow, as do veteran Lanterns who experience fear. While the Lanterns themselves might not have to think as much, it does bring an interesting element of a psychological weakness. I think, therefore, that all Lanterns should always be careful around yellow.

And all I'm saying is that I found the comic series more interesting when the yellow impurity created a weakness that all lanterns had to watch out for than I do now when the series is nothing but a universal color war.
 
But until the Sinestro war Rings were locked against using terminal force.

I can imagine Kyles Ring made after the fall of the corps being an exception but...

Oh Bother.
 
only due to the retcons...

prior to 'Rebirth' *spit*, GL's were just as capable of using their rings for terminal force as they were creating a shield or anything else...

Hal use the ring to murder his way through practically the entire Corps during Emerald Twilight, killing god knows how many GL's using his ring... Kyle even talked to the Justice League about killing Nero when he attacked New York, because it was the only way to solve the yellow ring problem... Kyle used his ring to effectively torture a cellmate at Blackgate, shattering both his wrists as he pinned him to the wall for interrogation...

It's only since Geoff Johns took over that the 'terminal force' law came in and brought all the GL's down to pussy standard

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^It's foolish to equate killing with strength. It's easy to kill. Cowards kill out of fear. Fools kill out of stupidity. It often takes far more courage, strength, and effort to find alternatives to killing.
 
i didn't equate killing with strength, i'm saying that the GL's sometimes have to kill to get the job done...

you take anyone with a power ring, and they have the capability to destroy an entire planet... it doesn't take that much willpower, effort or power itself to split an atom, or a bunch of atoms... it would only take the barers concentration and willpower to contain the massive nuclear explosions... but if they're not worried about that... well...

Coming up against a threat like that, its valid that a GL would need to kill to prevent the loss of life reaching into the billions as they fought...

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I'll let Kyle make my point for me actually...

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In the first Green Lantern Corps Quarterly, dated 1992, prior to John's involvement in DC, Jack T. Chance's ring told him he couldn't use it for murder.

In the issue Jack is being attacked by the bad guy who killed the last Green Lantern to patrol his planet's sector. He commands the ring to "Smoke him," but it doesn't reply. Jack asks, "They why didn't you blow him away like I asked?!" The ring replies, "I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to do that...I cannot deliberately and overtly take another sentient's life. It is not within my parameters." When Jack gives up on the ring (or "bauble," as he calls it) and uses a gun to kill the alien, it transports him to Oa. The Guardians explain why they called him there: "We recognize that you killed the man in self-defense." "But the situation leading up to that moment could have been avoided."

Jack argues that his planet is a hellhole and if they wanted someone who could handle it, they needed to give him free reign. They agree, but stipulate that he will be "subject to periodic reviews" of his "use of power."

The argument could be made that Parallax was controlling Hal and Hal was able to tap into that power and thus use his rings to kill. Even at that, with the exception of Kilowog*, he never "killed" the other Lanterns, he just left them in space without the ring's protection (loophole! ;)).

In the case of the GL Corps using their rings to kill Sinestro, I think that was explained as the lethal force restriction didn't apply on Oa (not sure why that's the case), but it also happened after the Guardians had departed the universe.

*If I'm remembering correctly and the "no-kill" thing was not applicable on Oa, then that would explain why Kilowog was killed, other than his tapping into the Parralax energy.

In Kyle's case, he was unsure if the ring would allow him to kill and was tempted to use it on Major Force, but relented and decided he didn't want to have to do that.
 
i didn't equate killing with strength, i'm saying that the GL's sometimes have to kill to get the job done...

But when you express it with crude, childish, and misogynistic insult words like "pussy," it scuttles any trace of credibility in your argument.
 
It's not a question about strength.

As Johns plays it you try to make a killing blow and the ring turns off.

If you're in space when this happens, you're fucked.

More than three metres off the ground and you're fucked.

It was a death sentence for a lantern to be incapable of squashing their subconsciousness but natural killer instincts. Actually? Only someone without fear wouldn't attack randomly swatting and wailing in a desperate situation when it seems that all is lost, that something primal and violent happens. which is when the ring would/might kill a Lantern with Fear if they were really against the wall.

But...

That was then, and this is now.
 
The odd thing is coinciding with Boodika trying to use the ring to kill a member of the Sinestro Corps and having it turn off because she tried to use lethal force was Soranik Natu being told by the ring she couldn't use it to kill Sinestro. In her case, the ring wouldn't let her, but didn't shut-off.
 
Mogo.

What a whismilcal little bastard.

Was he in play?

He should have been the first Lantern Hal went for when reforming the Corps.

But if he's in charge of admission, then possibly he's in charge of penalties and retirement?
 
Not many Lanterns retire. I think it was in the first issue post-Sinestro Corps War when Hal and John discuss how long Lanterns last for and the ring replies, "Four years, three months, one day, thirteen hours, and seven minutes."

Of course, when the Guardians instituted the new law that Lanterns couldn't fall in love with each other and a whole mess of Lanterns gave up their rings, that might have been similar.

Maybe they have to go to Mogo for an exit interview.
 
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