^ She does indeed.
Troi in a miniskirt in the first season
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"I Dig A Pygmy by Charles Hawtrey and the Deaf Aids. Phase one, in which Doris gets her oats."
I think it probably had a lot to do with a rather impressive girdle, actually. They could sew it up a bit more form fitting, once they were able to shore up her form better than they had originally. The entire costume dept. got much wiser over the years
^ She does indeed.
I never thought straight hair suited nearly as well as curly/wavy hair, & the Farpoint frizz thing wasn't great either, nor was the season one funky bun. Her hair never looked better than it did from season 3-7
The problems with that first-episode uniform are even more foundational (pun intended!) than her underwear. It's just not made very well. The way you can tell is that it doesn't fit her right...well, ever. Even when she's standing still. It's just bad. It looks as though somebody decided at the last moment "Hey, we've got a hot gal here in the cast - we can't have her wearing a boring ol' uniform like everybody else. I know! Let's put her in a miniskirt! Just like Uhura!"
That's what it looks like, anyway. Now that I think about it, the ill-fitting uniform reminds me a bit of some of the ill-fitting uniforms the female extras wore on TOS. Thing is, Marina wasn't an extra. They made Uhura's uniform fit back in 1967 - why couldn't they make Troi's fit as well? Did girdle technology deteriorate or something? I don't think so.
times change: mini skirts were a feminist statement in the 60's, but had devolved into a sexist cliches by the time TNG rolled around. Jellico did Troi and everyone involved a favor when he "suggested" that she wear a regulation uniform. Why it took a guest captain so late in the series to make such a "suggestion" is an interesting question. In any case, I agree Troi looked sharp and professional in the regulation uniform and improved the look of the entire bridge crew.
^ You're right, of course, Mike. Since this a thread about how attractive Siritis is (at least I guess that's what the OP was saying), I was trying to avoid saying that very thing, but now you have and I don't have to.
BTW, I don't really believe miniskirts were a feminist statement in the 1960s. I've been told they were, but I was alive back then and that's never how they seemed to me. (T'Bonz and I have had this very same conversation.) But I was a kid, and perhaps older women had different experiences. As a girl and a teenager, miniskirts to me were just a pain. Where I grew up, you wore 'em because everybody but the Mormon girls did (and some of them wore them, too - sometimes without their moms' knowledge), but I don't think most of us found them "liberating."
Edit: Now pants - those were liberating! Those of you who grew up wearing slacks anytime you happen to feel like it have no idea!
BTW, I don't really believe miniskirts were a feminist statement in the 1960s. I've been told they were, but I was alive back then and that's never how they seemed to me. (T'Bonz and I have had this very same conversation.) But I was a kid, and perhaps older women had different experiences. As a girl and a teenager, miniskirts to me were just a pain. Where I grew up, you wore 'em because everybody but the Mormon girls did (and some of them wore them, too - sometimes without their moms' knowledge), but I don't think most of us found them "liberating."
Edit: Now pants - those were liberating! Those of you who grew up wearing slacks anytime you happen to feel like it have no idea!
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Troi is very hot in VOY and FC. Early Troi is awful.
I actually think she looked way hotter in the final episode, because she got a much better fit, & wore it much better. Plus, her hair had been softened to look more flattering
Encounter At Farpoint
All Good Things...
^ She does indeed.
I never thought straight hair suited nearly as well as curly/wavy hair, & the Farpoint frizz thing wasn't great either, nor was the season one funky bun. Her hair never looked better than it did from season 3-7
Thank you
The frizzy hair she had in the pilot episode was her natural hair. For the rest of the show, she used hair extensions, except for a few episodes in season 6 where she used her natural hair again (though it looks like it's still permed a bit)...
And yes, she did look good on Voyager...
And yes, she did look good on Voyager...
I don't think it's an "either or" when it comes to mini skirts and feminism. I'm sure it wouldn't be the only time someone adopted a fashion trend that was comfortable or inconvenient to make some other kind of statement.
Really, to me, the miniskirts were an attempt to stay on the cutting edge of the times and because of that they end up being an anachronism today. Sort of like watching American Bandstand from the early sixties and girls making a fashion statement with white socks and floppy sweaters. The slacks/trousers/pants look is more timeless and I suspect that's one of the reasons "The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before" seem to hold up so well. There's no distraction from anachronistic fashions.
I love this look for Troi. She looks mature, refined, contained and beautiful. It's like the producers of Voyager allowed her to be a mature woman while the producers of TNG seemed to want to keep her in a version of the sex kitten role.
The thing is, I think the "bunny suit" suited her position on the ship better. She was the ship's counselor so when she took appointments and such it'd make more sense for her to be in a comfortable attire with no rank insignia on it. I think that'd be a bit less intimidating than someone in uniform. If I'm an ensign on the ship and getting counseled by someone showing Commander rank pips I'm going to be intimidated a bit and feel like I'm whining to a superior officer who's going to tell me to buck up or swab the decks... or something.
Now, that being said, the bunny suit may not have been the best choice either given the... discomfort it'd likely give people looking at her. (See: Barclay in "Holo Pursuits" who is looking at a cleavage-showing Troi playing sensual music, turning down the lights, and asking Barclay to close his eyes while she tenderly touches him. Which, of course, causes him to bust a nut and bolt out of the room.)
I was a bigger fan of all the guys walking around on board wearing the same outfit. They, truly, wore it best.
No need to be crass. Besides I like her ass best.
You post much like a young and old me. BTW, I agree. 
Ah, directness! Nothing like getting to "the point".
Were her legs really that uniquely sexy???
Well, to be fair, the Great Goddenberry created the character of Deanna as a sex object, and cast and clothed accordingly.
I agree that young Marina Sirtis was quite a 1980's/early '90's spectacle.
As far as the hair is concerned, are you talking about the funny samurai-style bun-do she wore most of the first year of TNG, or just her hair in general? I thought Sirtis exhbited her best hair in "The Child", but it was expressly 80's hair, admittedly an acquired taste. I happen to like 80's hair.
The Year 1 bun-do was horrible. No doubt about it.
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My post was mostly tongue and cheek when I said the forum needs more of thiese threads... Mostly :P
But yeah, my distaste was focused mainly on her early hairstyles. It wasn't that bad later on. She was definitely the Elaine Benes of star trek though. Gorgeous woman with really bad hairstyles early on
