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How did Yoda die?

You know who is a plagiarist? Virgil.

Question: Is it plagiarism for authors over and over to borrow from classical literature especially the bad guys?

Sidious/Voldermort/Khan in Trek - they're all characters written based on ancient mythology or borrowed from Shakespeare..
 
How did Yoda die?


Answer: He saw the prequels.

:guffaw: However except for Alec Guninness and Harrison Ford the actors performances weren't that great.

Ian McDiarmid who played Palpatine as well as Sidious was the most brilliantly written and acted character in the whole series IMO and is the prequels saving grace.
 
But Palpatine died after getting betrayed by Vader. But didnt Voldemort die from some obscure magical rule about wands?

Voldermort died only partially because of the wands -it was his arrogance [like with Sidious] that was his downfall.

In fact it seems virtually every dark character falls because of his/her hubris and over-confidence.
 
I think Sidious's death was more analogous to Sauron's. Both were really undone by a acts of compassion. Bilbo's and Frodo's compassion in sparing Gollum ultimate resulted in the destruction of the ring in the end. And of course Luke's compassion in not killing his father ultimately resulted in Anakin's redemption and Palpatine's death.

Voldemort was just a bad game of DnD imho.
 
Luke would never kill Vader unless he turned.

Vader couldn't turn Luke to make his own little Sith Couplet.

He assumed Palpatine couldn't turn Luke either.

If Palpatine had tuned Luke, Vader would have been disposed of.

But Vader thought he could use Luke to kill Palpatine.

Luke fucked up.

Vader had to finish the job himself.

Compassion had nothing to do with it.

Vader just had to accept that his kid had no sack.

The Dark Side is not less/weaker than the Light Side, so they probably have Force ghosts too, just of a different colour... But what colour would it be?

"Red" seems too obvious?
 
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I didn't personally get the vibe that Yoda actually sacrificed himself so Luke/the universe could be saved (c.f. the ridiculously blatant referencing of this motif with Neo in the Matrix films), more that he felt it was his natural time and did not fight against it in the way a Dark Side user would, but took the opportunity afforded by his natural passing to transcend and become a Force ghost.

Interesting thanks. Now that you mention it, it's interesting the Rowling borrows from many of the "dark figure," motifs as well in Potter - Voldermort's demise being not that dissimilar to Sidious.

Meh, I guess everyone borrows from classical literature so they're all plagiarists to some degree. LOL

Rowling seems to be more overt in her borrowing from people like Jung from what I have been told/read or at least giving nods to his ideas in her early books.

I haven't read Rowling, but I wouldn't be suprised. It's hard not to use archetypes in writing; they have such figurative power that they're an easy way to paint a story quickly. It's almost like watching a familiar and predictable dance. If a writer is skilled, you enjoy watching the execution of the piece. If not, it feels hackneyed. Even twists and subversions only gain their storytelling power because of the strength of the archetype they're playing against.

One component of Jung's collective unconscious concept is that humanity itself resonates with certain themes. They crystallise out into symbols relevant to the current age. Joseph Campbell describe these symbols in comparative mythology (at very, very, very great length...)

I think there's a lot to be said for these mythic journey stories. Obviously they work especially well in SF and Fantasy settings, but they're also heavily represented in tales of any genre where a fairly traditional narrative structure is used.

The Dark Side is not less/weaker than the Light Side, so they probably have Force ghosts too, just of a different colour... But what colour would it be?

Nah, Dark Siders don't ghost IMO. Force Ghosting occurs when someone accepts death and subsequently transcends it by becoming part of Force (and so can manifest as a Force presence visible to those strong in the living force: note that Yoda first perceives Qui-Gon when very deep in meditation, and Luke first hears Obi-Wan when under great stress during the trench run and sees him under even greater stress when near death on Hoth).

The very essence of Dark Side power is to preserve one's mortal/temporal traits as long as possible: youth, long life, strength, emotion, etc, etc. It's the antithesis of being a Force Ghost, it seems to me. The Dark Side equivalent to a Force Ghost is how they can live very long mortal lives at the expense of their appearance (read: soul). It's a Faustian thing.
 
Holdfast. Accessing the dark side of the force is completely different to accessing the light side. You don't automatically go to the dark side of the force because your shit at accessing the light. it just requires a different but no less refined skillset.

Do you think a Sith Aprentice has ever failed and turned to the light side against the training and desires of his masters?
 
Merriam-Webster says

1ren·der

verb \ˈren-dər\
to treat so as to convert into industrial fats and oils or fertilizer

and Yoda was digitally rendered so......
 
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I thought JFK died from a heart attack after Elvis saved him from having his soul sucked out through his hindquarters by a mummy.
 
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