Forgive me if this subject has been broached before. It occurs to me there is an untapped resource for a "new" limited series: A CGI remake of the animated series! Imagine freeing up those priceless original actor voice tracks from the prison of their stiff, motionless Filmation "animation." Modern CGI could provide 22 "new" episodes of original Trek, with realistic depictions of Kirk and crew in their prime, voiced by the original cast. If necessary, I could see these half-hour shows expanded to an hour with additional action footage. Or, hell, hire Walter Koenig and add some Chekov material. Whatta ya think?
Star Trek TAS: The Remake
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Hi Corloff. Welcome. You will find most of your answers in these 5 threads:
A Star trek CGI series
A New Modern Trek Animated Series
Could the next series be animated?
Poll: A Star trek CGI series
Star Trek Kids Cartoon
and a 2-D animated project dating back to 2006:
CBS Considering New Animated Trek Series For The Web
Issues such as licensing 1970s audio recordings, retooling, music rights, What TV channel it would air on, voice casting all come up.
I love the original TAS art. The animation's shite, but the planetscapes are beautiful and imaginative.
Put modern CG to work on a new Star Trek cartoon!
Put modern CG to work on a new Star Trek cartoon!
I think if there is an animated series, it will be set in the current universe/ continuity. I'm not a massive fan of animated shows but I'd probably watch something in the vein of The Clone Wars, set on the JJ-Enterprise.
As tired as I am of the current "Clone Wars" animated series, I cannot argue it's mass appeal and that Star Trek might work well trying such an approach.
Yevetha
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For something animated i would like a new ship.
I'm all for a new animated series. I think it should be based in the JJ-verse, but with a different ship and new crew. They wouldn't get Pine, Quinto, etc...to voice an animated series anyway. They're big stars now.
Just please, no post-24th Century stuff...the tech would be too ridiculously "magic" based on where they'd been going with the TNG and beyond series tech.
Just please, no post-24th Century stuff...the tech would be too ridiculously "magic" based on where they'd been going with the TNG and beyond series tech.
Couldn't we go in the other direction with it - say, a CGI series set in the Prime Universe about the FIRST five-year mission of NCC-1701? Since George Kirk supposedly became Captain Robert April's XO, you might even get Chris Hemsworth back to voice him.
I'm inclined to think an animated series will be set in its own continuity with yet another reinvention of TOS aimed at the prized 6-11 demo. Less like The Clone Wars and more like either Transformers: Prime or Avengers: Earth's Mightest Heroes.
They could always remake TAS with new CGI animation and use the voice tracks from the original TAS.
Yevetha
Commodore
They just went to great effort to reboot the continuity. They're not gonna turn around and bury themselves in the overly restrictive continuity again. In nuTrek (or another new continuity) they can do anything. On April's Enterprise they'd have all the problems Enterprise faced.
Besides, that Captain April/George Kirk stuff was already covered in the novels "Final Frontier" and "Best Destiny", among others, 30 years ago.
A new aesthetic for Star Trek would be interesting. Given that Terra Nova has been cancelled, an animated show possibly would have more success than a live action one.
It would be more worth it to tell new stories rather than Animated TAS, however an idea would be to take the vocals from the 25th Anniversary/Judgment Rites games and mix them in with new audio and animation to create a new series. The gameplay is a constant story with vocal throughout, so creating a narrative shouldn't be too hard, however I think the gameplay is possibly MONO with rubbish MIDI music throughout, so separation might be hard.
I know someone here told me that there is no hope of Secret of Vulcan Fury, however maybe out there the audio tracks at least still exist in a private archive. That would be amazing!
A new series featuring the original cast (albeit via archive material) wold be great for the fnas - maybe fan filmmakers could pick up the idea?! But a new pro series of Kirk and co altogether would almost certainly contain recasts. Could it be JJVerse, Prime Universe or something new altogether.
Outside the classic crew there are other options. Another 23rd century bnch travelling through the stars, JJVerse would be a 'logical' option tying into the current movies.
Wit hthe hype ssurrounding James Cawley's fan series and latterly the current film series, the 24th century has seemed to be almost completely ignored.
Why concentrate on one ship though?! You could have a story arc spanning many ships, stations and planets featuring lots of different characters. The current movie crew probably won't be available for a whole series, but I'm sure a lot of trek vets will be fine for guest spots.
Maybe different timezones could be included not just through time travel - we could have holodecks, flashbacks (a really old character with dark secrets) and even trips to the mirror universe.
The thing is being an animation story arcs would have to be on the light side, and stories would be more action packed, but being Star Trek I'm sure there will be a great idea somewhere
What do you guys think?
It would be more worth it to tell new stories rather than Animated TAS, however an idea would be to take the vocals from the 25th Anniversary/Judgment Rites games and mix them in with new audio and animation to create a new series. The gameplay is a constant story with vocal throughout, so creating a narrative shouldn't be too hard, however I think the gameplay is possibly MONO with rubbish MIDI music throughout, so separation might be hard.
I know someone here told me that there is no hope of Secret of Vulcan Fury, however maybe out there the audio tracks at least still exist in a private archive. That would be amazing!
A new series featuring the original cast (albeit via archive material) wold be great for the fnas - maybe fan filmmakers could pick up the idea?! But a new pro series of Kirk and co altogether would almost certainly contain recasts. Could it be JJVerse, Prime Universe or something new altogether.
Outside the classic crew there are other options. Another 23rd century bnch travelling through the stars, JJVerse would be a 'logical' option tying into the current movies.
Wit hthe hype ssurrounding James Cawley's fan series and latterly the current film series, the 24th century has seemed to be almost completely ignored.
Why concentrate on one ship though?! You could have a story arc spanning many ships, stations and planets featuring lots of different characters. The current movie crew probably won't be available for a whole series, but I'm sure a lot of trek vets will be fine for guest spots.
Maybe different timezones could be included not just through time travel - we could have holodecks, flashbacks (a really old character with dark secrets) and even trips to the mirror universe.
The thing is being an animation story arcs would have to be on the light side, and stories would be more action packed, but being Star Trek I'm sure there will be a great idea somewhere
What do you guys think?
They could in theory. In reality, I don't see them doing it. Why on Earth go to all that trouble when they could make an entirely brand new series?
Ptrope, who mods the Art Forum has been working on a fan project that'd replace the over-simplistic Filmation animation with CGI. It's strictly an in-his-spare-time kind of project, and he has very little of that, so progress is slow. Still, it looks pretty. Take a look...
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=35124&highlight=Reanimated
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=35124&highlight=Reanimated
What trouble? I'd imagine that the reason they'd do it is that they've already paid for the audio portion of the show, so that's one major aspect of production where they would save big bucks by recycling. They'd pay only small residual fees to all involved to simply repackage the old audio with new visuals, which would be dirt cheap compared to the cost of generating an all new audio track, with an all new cast, crew, musicians, etc, all of whom would have to be paid current scale.
Plus... It also gives them performances by original cast members that simply are no longer available.
^ But do you really think that would be a profitable enterprise (pun intended) for a studio to undertake? Can you think of a single example of that ever having been done with an old animated series in the history of tv?
CBS who owns the rights to the Trek franchise on television including (I would think) TAS is not going to make new Trek using the old actors. They will release new products of the old 6 TV series and feature films (like when they re-release the Trek I-X films for a deluxe edition with more restorations around 2016).
Dirt cheap is not the legal department headaches of relicensing the music and the vocal performances for 22 episodes for syndication, home video release, digital download, future media, etc.
Dirt cheap is not CGI for 24 minutes for 22 episodes= 528 minutes = 8.8 hours of 1080p CGI. Check the budget of Tron Uprising on Disney XD airing this summer which should be 22 minute episodes.
Since TAS has not come out on Blu-ray I can see only a possibility of doing a CGI version of it by CBS Digital as a way of selling TAS on Blu-ray "with all new 1080p CGI VFX in full 16x9!". Of course on the Blu-ray there would be an option to watch the original animation in HD (or upconverted standard definition). Otherwise it is going to be a harder sell for 22 episodes with very repetitive music and some actors voicing multiple characters in an episode. Could you see them redoing the music score too with a modern sounding VOY/ENT score for every episode? How about repurposing those music scores and relicensing them too? They would have to pay residuals to every musician...
As far as repurposing a cartoon series:
Space Ghost Coast to Coast
which is sold by Adult Swim.
Can you think of a single example of a TV series being re-edited from edited takes with 10 second handles from the original filmed camera negative to match the original episodes? That is what TNG-R did for 7 seasons of a TV series.
Trek is a very profitable franchise for CBS and TNG being a particular property that has still a large audience and a future audience and they wanted to really capitalize on that.
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