Could Cumberbatch be Garry Mitchell?
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You do realize that means nothing? Young kid from a small town, doing great things to save the world while being mentored by an older, wiser sage is about 73% of every fairytale ever made. And you're claiming George Lucas invented that?
Before and after Wars hundreds of storytellers have told this story in a hundred different ways, so I'm not gonna be a Warsie and whine that Wars is better then any other form of SF. That Trek did this in a way doesn't even bother me that much, because Abrams did enough other, interesting things in nuTrek to keep it original.
It really doesn't seem a quintessential element of TOS that the writers would depend upon. I'm expecting Janice Rand and maybe Christine Chapel to pop up this time, I'm expecting Klingons (after they were dropped last time), maybe Kor as their leader?
I also won't be surprised if someone like Harry Mudd turns up in cameo, and some Vulcans being shown as having escaped catastrophe. But the main villain won't be Gary Mitchell, Khan or Section 31.
Yeah, exactly like District 9 ripped off Avatar: Our guy joins a mission to forcefully remove a group of helpless aliens from their home alongside a psychopathic military guy, but throughout the film he gets closer to the aliens using a mix of the his human DNA and some alien DNA which enables him to gradually become one of them, and through their relationship he discovers there's more to them than he originally thought, learning the other side of the story. He gets accused of siding with the enemy as a result of violent alien sex, and everything gets wrapped up when in a fight between him and the psychopathic military guy involving a mecha exoskeleton.
*gasp* ...perhaps somebody completely new? Or is that too much of a stretch for the Khansies or the Mitchellsies to contemplate?
Or maybe he's playing Cadet Anakin Skywalker?
Oh, right, I forgot about that. That's where Kashyyyk was located.
Which he held in his fist.
NuTrek - time travel
Star Wars - no time travel
SW - lightsabers
NT - no lightsabers
NT - heroes usually travel in one large ship
ST - heroes usually travel in small ships, often one-person ships
ST - prominent use of fantasy, mysticism and quasi-magic
NT - generally adheres to science, devoid of fantasy elements
NT - centres around quasi-military/naval organisation, with recognisable ranks and officers
SW - centres around gifted elite Order with mystical powers and no clearly-explained rank or structure
NT - features recognisably humanoid aliens (2 arms, 2 legs)
SW - more diverse and non-humanoid aliens
NT - no androids or robots
SW - prominent robots and androids
NT - set in our galaxy and our future
SW - set a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away
NT - standalone story in one movie
ST - ongoing multi-movie saga
NT - Entertaining, fun, brilliantly realised
SW - entertaining, fun, brilliantly realised
Just like TOS . . .
And, yeah, there's absolutely no reason to assume that he's playing a previously-established character. That's like assuming that any actor cast in a new Batman movie has to be playing the Riddler or whomever. It doesn't always work that way.
Why would they audition Hispanic actors for Gary Mitchell?
And why wouldn't they bring in Neil McDonough to audition? Dye his hair brown, he looks perfect, and he's a kick-ass actor!
I think that would be cool, but I already know who they are. The general audience would be confused and there's no time to explain things in a two hour movie.
They need an antagonist who is good to go right away, no explanations required. Not "why is Khan a white guy," not "why does Starfleet have bad guys in it now?" We need that time for fights and explosions, not boring blahblahblah!
Add to that the auditioning-Hispanic-actors thing and the only explanation points to Klingons.
Begone, heretic!
And why wouldn't they bring in Neil McDonough to audition? Dye his hair brown, he looks perfect, and he's a kick-ass actor!
I think that would be cool, but I already know who they are. The general audience would be confused and there's no time to explain things in a two hour movie.
They need an antagonist who is good to go right away, no explanations required. Not "why is Khan a white guy," not "why does Starfleet have bad guys in it now?" We need that time for fights and explosions, not boring blahblahblah!
Add to that the auditioning-Hispanic-actors thing and the only explanation points to Klingons.
Begone, heretic!
You mean the way most people hold swords or pistols in their fists?
While differences between ST and SW are to be expected, there do seem to be more similarities than can be accounted for by randomness alone. Add to that all the inspiration that came from previous ST and associated works and its hard to see too much of STXI that can be accursed of being original. As already pointed out, even blowing up Vuclan has been done. The "original" bit was making it permanent in the current universe I suppose.
Then you have skinheads with tattoos as baddies. The use of technology from the future as a quick fix. Nero wanting revenge for the loss of his wife and family (oh, and home world of course). Slugs to get information. It has already been mentioned that "young Kirk as badboy" is pretty standard in some parts, etc.
As far as originality goes: I don't know if anyone has used red matter to create a time travelling worm/blackhole before? A Supernova that can destroy a galaxy might be original, if a bit dodgy scientifically.
As someone who could have used a little more originality in the last movie (and I don't mean portraying red shirts in a poor light or Starfleet command as lax disciplinarians), what did I miss?
Scotty: We canna do it Captain. Not in a two hour movie!
Scotty: Meaningful discussion used to work, but these days the audience are a bunch of morons. I'm sorry Jim, I canna change the laws of physics.
^
Time and Universe travelling worm/blackhole.
Possible. I'd much rather see GM rise from the dead and become Q himself than see a Khan rehash.
Time and Universe travelling worm/blackhole.
Possible. I'd much rather see GM rise from the dead and become Q himself than see a Khan rehash.
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Lieutenant Commander
Despite what I said earlier, I have it on good authority that Cumberbatch is indeed playing both the fan-favorite from the first season (albeit a radically re-invented version of the character), and is also the villain of the piece. I can't reveal the details, save that his catch-phrase is "bonk bonk on the head"!
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