The Walking Dead Season 2 Discussion *Spoilers*

[Immolatus]

Ever see the movie Fido? Apart from making zombies servants they seem to have a society that works.

You mean the comedy where they rely on a collar that magically stops zombies from being flesh-hungry monsters from Hell (or in other words, not zombies at all)? And where when one of the magical collars does malfunction, a small outbreak occurs and is only stopped when super soldiers are sent to clean it up? And the same film where, despite that, there's still a "wild zone" full of rampaging zombie monsters anyway?

To paraphrase from something I saw just the other day: "How do you kill a vampire?" "Stake through the heart, garlic, sunlight... I dunno." "No, you can kill a vampire however the fuck you want, because vampires don't fucking exist. You can make up rules for whatever the fuck you want."

Pointing to some lame zombie using rules and a setting completely alien to the discussion at hand is pretty pointless. Fido is nothing like Walking Dead in any way, shape, or form. There's nothing even remotely similar about them aside that they both have zombies, and even then they're completely and utterly different from the ones in Walking Dead.

boo hoo hoo waaaa

 

[sojourner]

Spoiler: Tyreese

I am fairly certain Tyreese was before the farm. He and his daughter and her boyfriend were at the Wiltshire Estates.

Spoiler: Tyreese

Indeed. Tyreese, his daughter, and the boyfriend met Rick's group after the latter had left their camp outside Atlanta. Tyreese was helpful in clearing the roads prior to the arrival at Wiltshire Estates.

Huh. Okay. It's been a while since I've read but I thought...

Spoiler: Tyreese

He was one of the prisoners involved in a homosexual relationship.

Not even close.

 

[Immolatus]

I'm not saying that it's impossible for some kind of society to form in a zombie-ridden world, but it won't be anything even remotely normal or what we're accustomed to. Which was the point of this branch of the conversation, and why Rick has likely not told the others about what the CDC might have told him (about everyone already being infected). Because that knowledge would eliminate all hope of any kind of normalcy returning to these characters, diminished as it may currently be. Hope of finding a safe haven is the only thing they have, but if everyone is already infected -- meaning they don't have to be bitten to be turned -- completely and utterly negates that hope. Because no matter where they go, no matter who they live with, the threat of an outbreak will be there.

Did you even see the movie? In that universe every one is infected (and yes I realize it is a comedy but isn't everything)

 

[Immolatus]

If we're going to play the "my understanding of the fictional rules of various universes is better than yours" game, then I'd argue that Fido takes place years if not decades after the "Zombie Wars" were won, and not weeks after the zombie apocalypse. Plenty of time for a society to establish itself, invent collars, etc. I'm fully with Santeria that these worlds are different and can't be held to each other's rules (except in the sense that genres do have rules), but if you really wanted to, you could explain the differences away by referring to the time scale.

I was just using Fido as an example of what can be done after an apocalypse. in that universe it worked, in TWD it may not and there is no hope. And lets not forget one of the greatest zombie movies of all time "Land of the dead"

 

[scnj]

Spoiler: Tyreese

Indeed. Tyreese, his daughter, and the boyfriend met Rick's group after the latter had left their camp outside Atlanta. Tyreese was helpful in clearing the roads prior to the arrival at Wiltshire Estates.

Huh. Okay. It's been a while since I've read but I thought...

Spoiler: Tyreese

He was one of the prisoners involved in a homosexual relationship.

Not even close.

Looks like I'll be breaking the Compendium open when I go home in March. Last time I read it was when the volume nine trade was about to be released.

 

[Capt. Vulcan]

The writing on this show is just getting dumber and dumber. I'm really starting to hate the characters and increasingly want the zombies to win. I actually feel bad for the actors having to act out this garbage.

 

[Sindatur]

How can people complain there are no blacks in the show when that bald headed black guy has been there from the beginning?

That would be T-Dog that everyone keeps mentioning

 

[Derishton]

I was just using Fido as an example of what can be done after an apocalypse. in that universe it worked, in TWD it may not and there is no hope. And lets not forget one of the greatest zombie movies of all time "Land of the dead"

Oh I agree with that: post-apocalypse zombie fiction is the newest wave. Not just Land of the Dead (which I liked, sadly) and Fido, but the "Forest of Hands and Teeth" trilogy for young readers, Walking Dead (of course), the "Monster Planet" trilogy, etc.

 

[Santeria]

Did you even see the movie? In that universe every one is infected (and yes I realize it is a comedy but isn't everything)

And in possession of uber magic technology that neuters the threat. And for when that fails (which it does) there's a highly organized, super-equipped task force at the ready to step in. Neither of which exist in The Walking Dead.

Is that clearer?

If the Walking Dead has magitech collars and a megacorporation with super soldiers available for immediate deployment at every population center, then sure, Fido would be a decent reference. But it doesn't. Nor will it ever. Especially the magic collar bullshit.

 

[Alpha Romeo]

The writing on this show is just getting dumber and dumber. I'm really starting to hate the characters and increasingly want the zombies to win. I actually feel bad for the actors having to act out this garbage.

In your opinion. I had no problems with any of it. Thought it was a great episode.

 

[the G-man]

Did you even see the movie? In that universe every one is infected (and yes I realize it is a comedy but isn't everything)

And in possession of uber magic technology that neuters the threat. And for when that fails (which it does) there's a highly organized, super-equipped task force at the ready to step in. Neither of which exist in The Walking Dead.

Is that clearer?

If the Walking Dead has magitech collars and a megacorporation with super soldiers available for immediate deployment at every population center, then sure, Fido would be a decent reference. But it doesn't. Nor will it ever. Especially the magic collar bullshit.

You're missing the point about references to Fido.

You have argued that TWD universe is never going to find a way to adapt. That there is no hope. You have implied, if not outright said, that a society would never be able to adept to a zombie virus.

Others have pointed out that certain measures could, over time, allow society to reestablish itself. Among the measures would be learning how to prevent reanimation by specific post-mortum actions (head trauma, etc.) and setting up organizations to contain any new outbreaks before they can spread.

In reference to this possibility, one of the examples cited by people, myself included, is the film Fido.

Fido takes place a few decades after a zombie apocalypse and, while parts of the world are still "hell on earth", in other ways society has found methods to adapt. One of the ways they've adapted is very specific funeral arrangements to avoid reanimation. Another is the development of trained experts/technicians who can be called in to neutralize the threat.

Yes, a third way in that film is the "magical collar" that turns zombies into pets. But even if you discount that part of the story, it is still about people adapting in ways that aren't outside the possibility of the TWD universe. It is those other adaptions in Fido that we are discussing.

 

[Derishton]

I'd add again that human societies adapting to a zombie apocalypse are actually very nearly the norm right now: there are fewer and fewer films/books about the actual apocalypse, and more and more about how we'd manage to survive. It's a really interesting phenomenon. I only listed a few in the post above, but there's far more than that. The tagline for Walking Dead is something about it taking the end of the world to learn how to live; that alone implies that the series is about survival and adaptation.

 

[Santeria]

You're missing the point about references to Fido.

No, you're completely and utterly missing my point. If Rick tells the others what the CDC guy told him, which is likely that everyone is infected, that group will lose all hope of a better tomorrow.

I'm not saying that it's completely impossible for humanity to recover. That has fuck-all to do with the series. The series is about this small group of people who's only hope is to survive and maybe one day see a better tomorrow.

Non-existent magical collars and non-existent super soldiers are going to save the day for these people. Nor is some comedy about a WWII atomic (I'm sorry, a "space radiation") fallout where they have these things and still have a shitty imprisoned existence. Fido has fuck-all to do with what I'm talking about. Ditto for their salvation through "shooting everyone who dies in the head." Those things aren't hopeful for Rick's group.

 

[sojourner]

^Ah the moving of the goal posts.

 

[PsychoPere]

We now have a piece of huge casting news for season three...

David Morrissey will be The Governor!

For those who aren't familiar with the original comics, expect some serious shit to go down in season three if the series continues to follow the roadmap. The link does give very minor spoilers as to how the character fits in, but I don't think it would be an issue for most people.

(For those who are familiar with the comics, if we're going to discuss this casting news in any detail in this particular thread, please remember to use spoiler code. We don't want to ruin the intensity for those people!)

 

[P0sitr0nic]

Im pretty sure society in TWD will survive.

After all, all they have to do is outlive the zombies, who, at some point, will rot and wither to the point they are no longer animate. Add to that death preperations, funeral procedures (burn all bodies) and other precautions, it simply becomes yet another disease we as humans live with daily.

 

[Silvercrest]

For those who aren't familiar with the original comics, expect some serious shit to go down in season three if the series continues to follow the roadmap.

The world has been destroyed! How much more serious can you get????

(Speaking as a non-reader of the comics.)

 

[scnj]

There's some stuff that happens in the comic that I think they'll deviate from in the show. The Governor is one of my favourite characters though.

 

[Dream]

There's some stuff that happens in the comic that I think they'll deviate from in the show. The Governor is one of my favourite characters though.

The stuff the Governor does in the comic is too hardcore even for this show. They'll tone down most of the things he does.

 

[scnj]

There's some stuff that happens in the comic that I think they'll deviate from in the show. The Governor is one of my favourite characters though.

The stuff the Governor does in the comic is too hardcore even for this show. They'll tone down most of the things he does.

Plus, one of the things that happens has already happened in the show.