The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread!

[beamMe]

If anything, the bigger question is why has the phaser beam colour changed from a fairly normal looking yellow beam to the TOS style blue one?

Because that isn't a phaser beam, but an energy beam that feeds the creature down on Deneb.

 

[BillJ]

My two cents - certainly worth no more than that:

The two shots in question seem to be slightly different angles, but I think it's very unlikely that the new one is a CG model. Too many of the complex curves, spatial relationships and so on are identical when overlaid, and something to remember about the original 1701-D model is that it was a painstaking hand-made sculptural piece - there's nothing machine-precise about the many curves of its hull. Even if scanning/digitizing the six-footer would be a technological option, it's unlikely that the studio has access to it in anything like its original form, and a CG model built from blueprint reference (even blueprints carefully prepared by someone who worked with the model) wouldn't match all those elements that perfectly.

The original model photography, as someone has doubtless mentioned, would have been done in multiple passes - at least one separate pass for the window and hull lights, for example - so these elements could be "dialed up" or down, color corrected etc. relative to one another for the new composite.

Fair enough.

I'm still wondering why someone would light it in such a way as to drown much of the detail though?

 

[JarodRussell]

The lighting is completely different though. The secondary hull and the neck is lit in the original, but not in the new version.

But who cares, it looks cool.

 

[TheSeeker]

^As Legion said, any one of the many passes done on the model could have been tweaked to allow for more shadows.

 

[Dac]

If anything, the bigger question is why has the phaser beam colour changed from a fairly normal looking yellow beam to the TOS style blue one?

Because that isn't a phaser beam, but an energy beam that feeds the creature down on Deneb.

And thats why I need to watch Encounter at Farpoint again.

Roll on the 31st!

 

[beamMe]

If anything, the bigger question is why has the phaser beam colour changed from a fairly normal looking yellow beam to the TOS style blue one?

Because that isn't a phaser beam, but an energy beam that feeds the creature down on Deneb.

And thats why I need to watch Encounter at Farpoint again.

Roll on the 31st!

Yeah, I can't wait either.
Finally we can be bored by this episode in HD... - it is a bit slow.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

This shot looks like a CG replacement:


http://www.randomtuesday.com/archive/?view=./Star Trek: The Next Generation/bluray/ships.gif

 

[TheSeeker]

^Most people seem to agree on that one.

 

[Xavier_Storma]

This shot looks like a CG replacement:


http://www.randomtuesday.com/archive/?view=./Star Trek: The Next Generation/bluray/ships.gif

It's been confirmed already! It is CGI

Just like this one:

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/review_images/Star_Trek_TNG_Next_Level_09.jpg

 

[beamMe]

This shot looks like a CG replacement:


http://www.randomtuesday.com/archive/?view=./Star Trek: The Next Generation/bluray/ships.gif

Yes, that is Tobias Richter's Enterprise-D.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

So, why replace that one?

 

[23skidoo]

My personal stance on the originals vs. new shots issue: I have no problems with new shots if they're necessary to achieve the same quality level as the rest of the material has, but otherwise prefer the originals to be retained, simply because I find it interesting in itself to "uncover" the originals in all their details. I.e. for me it's less about "don't alter the originals because that's morally wrong!", and more "if you throw away the original I'll never get to see how it really looked". I want to learn more about the shots I already know. That said, I do also sympathize with the "preserve the hard labor of the original production" POV.

And that's my main objection to such revisions (not so much the morally wrong part, but the rest of it). My main objection to TOS-R was the fact that, initially, the original versions were going to disappear forever (yes, semantics - the DVDs would still be around, but new copies weren't going to be made anymore) and we weren't - at first- given the choice of what version we wanted to see, nor did the original HD-DVDs feature the original footage even if only for the sake of comparison. This of course changed with the Blu-ray release. When Robert Wise redid TMP the original DVD release included all the scraps and original versions cut from the original movie in order to allow that footage and SFX to still exist. I would have preferred a bonus disc with the original theatrical version for additional comparison in that instance. But it's moot now, and somewhat ironic, that the upgraded Remastered version of TMP ended up not being the version released on Blu-ray anyway.

I don't mind it if the original creators are involved in revisions, especially - as was the case with TMP and yes even the Star Wars films - if it involves properly finishing a movie the way the director and creative team wanted it. Which is why it's a shame Shatner wasn't allowed to go back and fix Star Trek V. If someone from the TOS production team had gone and said "hey, it's bugged me for 40 years that we had James R Kirk on that tombstone - we knew it was wrong the day it aired - let's fix it" then that would at least be something that was sanctioned. But once you get people who are removed from the original source by a matter of decades deciding to go in and make editorial revisions (which is not the same as cleaning up or restoring), then that's the same as someone taking a Van Gogh painting and touching it up. They're projecting their own opinions and attitudes into a production they had nothing to do with.

Alex

 

[trekker670]

Do we have confirmation that it's Tobias Richter's model yet? Last I saw the he explicitly stated on the forum he was NOT involved with TNG-R and then later said it's for an unnamed project that he couldn't talk about.

 

[22 Stars]

Until we have full interviews with both teams doing the remastering, we won't have answers to questions like this.

For those that missed it, we have learned that CBS Digital is doing some episodes and shots, while Doug and Mike are doing others.

We will have to wait for detailed blogs or interviews with all parties to get the full scoop on why/how some shots were played with or replaced.

 

[Xavier_Storma]

So, why replace that one?

Some other users here guessed it is because the BoP footage could not be restored.

Maybe it is just a testbed to replace the 4 foot model (which I really hope will be replaced completely).

 

[22 Stars]

So, why replace that one?

Some other users here guessed it is because the BoP footage could not be restored.

Maybe it is just a testbed to replace the 4 foot model (which I really hope will be replaced completely).

But they have done Inner Light, and the 4 Footer is there, in all its glory... cough...

 

[Xavier_Storma]

So, why replace that one?

Some other users here guessed it is because the BoP footage could not be restored.

Maybe it is just a testbed to replace the 4 foot model (which I really hope will be replaced completely).

But they have done Inner Light, and the 4 Footer is there, in all its glory... cough...

I hope they will come back and correct that one... remember they did the same with TOS "Balance of Terror", if I remember correctly...

 

[beamMe]

So, why replace that one?

What Xavier_Storma said.

 

[22 Stars]

Some other users here guessed it is because the BoP footage could not be restored.

Maybe it is just a testbed to replace the 4 foot model (which I really hope will be replaced completely).

But they have done Inner Light, and the 4 Footer is there, in all its glory... cough...

I hope they will come back and correct that one... remember they did the same with TOS "Balance of Terror", if I remember correctly...

Sadly, no, they never did have the time or budget to go back and redo the first batch of TOSR, a real shame. That second Enterprise mesh is so superior, it would have been nice.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Well, you could replace the BOP element without replacing the Enterprise.