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Now that they have the opportunity... I hope they will use it to annihilate that fat, ugly beast. 
Now that they have the opportunity... I hope they will use it to annihilate that fat, ugly beast.
Don't the purists want to keep it as it was though? Like it or not, the 4 foot model was part of the show.
I know, maybe they should consider to include seamless branching, just like in TOS for the purists.
Let's name it: The 4 foot model IS a continuity issue. The 6 foot model is how the Enterprise is supposed to look.
I am all for keeping the pace and the shots etc. Just update it with a decent CGI model like that warp out shot from "Inner Light".
Let's name it: The 4 foot model IS a continuity issue. The 6 foot model is how the Enterprise is supposed to look.
I am all for keeping the pace and the shots etc. Just update it with a decent CGI model like that warp out shot from "Inner Light".
My point is simple. US prices are way too high. European prices are A okay!
Prices won't be roughly the same. They never have been and still aren't as I demonstrated in my post above. And that is part of the reason why some studios still insist on region coding their DVDs and Blu Rays.
OK folks! The second of our TrekCore exclusives is up, looking at the other two episodes on the sampler:
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#sfin_ex
I won't repost my thoughts here - you can read them in my "TrekCore Comments" section underneath the images!
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#sfin_ex
I won't repost my thoughts here - you can read them in my "TrekCore Comments" section underneath the images!
Maybe like this: I put this together in 5 minutes:
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I know... have to rework the illumination, but you get the idea...
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I know... have to rework the illumination, but you get the idea...
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There are a couple of good reviews of
"Star Trek: TTNG – The Next Level" Blu-ray sampler disc here: with a nice screenshot of the LCARS menu design showing the airdate as well as the stardate:
and of interesting note:
along with the audio remixed in DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 there is also the 2.0 mix and
I think the foreign language dubs would allow a fan to concentrate on the Sound FX and music rather than the dialogue in an episode seen dozens of times.
and another 1st impression from Trekmovie:
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http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#sfin_ex
"Star Trek: TTNG – The Next Level" Blu-ray sampler disc here: with a nice screenshot of the LCARS menu design showing the airdate as well as the stardate:
and of interesting note:
along with the audio remixed in DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 there is also the 2.0 mix and
http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/53258/next-generation-next-level/
I think the foreign language dubs would allow a fan to concentrate on the Sound FX and music rather than the dialogue in an episode seen dozens of times.
and another 1st impression from Trekmovie:
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http://trekmovie.com/2012/01/20/fir...he-next-generation-the-next-level-on-blu-ray/
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#sfin_ex
Wow this was nice:
HD SCREENSHOTS OF SEASON ONE BONUS FEATURE
a preview to the Season One Blu-Ray set out later this year.
The fact that they not only have HD behind-the-scenes footage but that it is from the Visual Effects of the Ent-D various passes from motion control is cool. I hope they are able to get a lot of behind-the-scenes footage from Viacom-owned "Entertainment Tonight" visits to the set during season 1 as well as vintage interviews from the Electronic Press Kit (EPK's) Paramount made at that time.
And this inclusion of VFX footage shows how the compositing was done from the camera negatives. Each pass was composited using modern state-of-the-art digital compositing.
Yes, it's being remastered, the sampler set comes out next Tuesday. The picture of the energy beam going to Farpiont is apparently from the new effects and the flaws on the saucer rim aside the shot looks perfect and beautiful compared to what's on the DVD now from the original show. (The color timing of the original show was very green.)
Not to mention the shot fixes the "problem" with the energy beam coming from the ship's Captain's Yacht Calypso in the original version to it now coming (more appropriately) from the phaser bank.
The shot does look odd, the smooth edge of the saucer rim and the the lighting from the beam looks over done. Is that, for sure, the real thing in the finished disc or is this possibly an "early draft" of what is on the final DVD?
Eitherway, it still looks nice compared to what we've had forever now.
Looking at those 2 shots side by side, I'm leaning more towards it being 100% CGI or at least a different model shot. The window light pattern on the saucer is different between the shots.
The new shot imho looks like someone had a go at painting over the original (1st) image and the result is frankly very poor. If ever something needed an incy wincy bit of CGI it is the energy beam shot posted above. The new shot is worse than the old!
I don't think it is the 2ft model, I think someone has gone over the original image with photoshop or something.
I don't think it is the 2ft model, I think someone has gone over the original image with photoshop or something.
I was kind of surprised by this one: http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/exclusive_images/sinsinner/inner6a.jpg
You can still see some distortion around the 2 actors and consoles during the chroma-keying process, especially around Data's head, the ensign's neck and the tops of the consoles.
You can still see some distortion around the 2 actors and consoles during the chroma-keying process, especially around Data's head, the ensign's neck and the tops of the consoles.
Looking at those 2 shots side by side, I'm leaning more towards it being 100% CGI or at least a different model shot. The window light pattern on the saucer is different between the shots.
New shot is definitely worse than the old one and is almost certainly CGI. The windows have an almost warped pattern on the neck and much of the detail around the neck is drowned out by overshadowing.
Looks like they're making the same mistakes they did with TOS-R. Overlighting the models which causes dark shadows that drown out some of the details.
Looking at those 2 shots side by side, I'm leaning more towards it being 100% CGI or at least a different model shot. The window light pattern on the saucer is different between the shots.
New shot is definitely worse than the old one and is almost certainly CGI. The windows have an almost warped pattern on the neck and much of the detail around the neck is drowned out by overshadowing.
Looks like they're making the same mistakes they did with TOS-R. Overlighting the models which causes dark shadows that drown out some of the details.
I like the newer shot overall, the beam is correctly placed, and it's lit better, reflecting on the hull like they did in TOS-R. What I disagree with is the model itself and its look, which could be done better in my opinion with a CG replacement.
What I do like is the ship isn't 100% illuminated at all conceivable angles. Somehow that looks better with at least some shadows.
Ya, the new one is 'better' but I still wouldn't call it 'good'. It amazes me how great the D can look at some angles and how bad it looks from others. I guess i should be used to it, it has felt that way for 25 years now.
IMO anything that makes the primary hull look thinner, the better, and conversely anything that accentuates the big oval nature of it, detracts from it. This one is about the worst angle possible.
IMO anything that makes the primary hull look thinner, the better, and conversely anything that accentuates the big oval nature of it, detracts from it. This one is about the worst angle possible.
Taste is up to the individual consumer. But who actually gives a shit about the beam placement? Does the beam placement make or break your enjoyment of Encounter at Farpoint?
But it drowns out ninety percent of the detail. The Enterprise is one of the stars of the show and it doesn't make me think highly of their collective competence when they use a cheap CG model and then try to hide it in shadows.
Personally, I miss all the detail that was discernible at 480i but is now lost with the move to 1080p.
Looking at those 2 shots side by side, I'm leaning more towards it being 100% CGI or at least a different model shot. The window light pattern on the saucer is different between the shots.
New shot is definitely worse than the old one and is almost certainly CGI. The windows have an almost warped pattern on the neck and much of the detail around the neck is drowned out by overshadowing.
Looks like they're making the same mistakes they did with TOS-R. Overlighting the models which causes dark shadows that drown out some of the details.
No, it's the original shot. I overlaid them and they match up. They did some rather heavy editing on the lighting though...perhaps a bit too much 'image manipulation' considering how smooth the rim of the saucer looks. They need to restrain themselves and not scrub things until the details are lost.
No way that's the same model. Go look and compare the other screen caps with the DVD screen shots.
Out of everything that is there, why would you take one scene and scrub the life out of it to where it looks so much different from the rest of the footage?
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