The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread!

My guess would be that the resulting composite would look very uneven, so it was just best to redo the whole shot rather than make one half cgi and the other just HD transfer.

 

Either they just tried it IF they could replace the footage if they ever need to do it, and the full season release will have the original shot restored. OR the two teams (one is some CBS team, and the other is Drexler & Co) are indeed working totally different: CBS replaces everything with CGI, and Drexler & Co restore the original film shots. THAT would be bad.

 

I think you might have a case closer to the latter. But I don't thing the two different methodologies will be done as arbitrarily as you say (i hope not anyway).

 

No, they're not doing that but I think the original crew were perhaps lead by CBS to believe they were going to only replace what absolutely needs replacing. If they are working completely separately and are not on the same page, that WILL be bad.

 

Like I said earlier, we will know a lot more after Mike and Doug are interviewed and blog about the process in the coming weeks.

 

As stated before, the original team (Okuda's, Drexler, etc.) were not involved in the sampler at all so the CBS team is obviously working with the original fx elements and restoring them, there have only been a few that have been CGI replacements and it's reasonable to believe that these shots were necessarily replaced.

 

This is the only change I'm not crazy about. Even if it was the 4-foot model, that shot of the Enterprise coming out of warp (with the shifting rainbow stars) was always one of my favorites on the show.

Now it just looks totally different.

 

A lot of this seems to be squabbling over details. Yeah some details aren't right, some shots are based off poor versions of the models, yadda yadda. To me I over look these and think that the clearer details and color timing of the "energy beam" shot looks fantastic. Look at the details and sections of the deflector dish (mostly that you SEE them) alone. Looks good to me, if I can look past the light leak from shuttle bay 2 for the last 25 years I can certainly look past some missing windows on the saucer rim in a distant shot for the sake of seeing my favorite ship looking spectacular in close ups.

 

The lighting is a bit different and the model has the lines and contours of the 6 footer, but the shot is still the same.

 

What I find amazing about the warp shot is that the warp stars are exactly the same. Just like Q's energy grid, I'm wondering how they did that. Shouldn't the resolution be extremely bad since it's a CG element from the 80s?

 

Has there ever been an explanation for why they changed the dimensions so much for the 4-footer? Were they concerned that the ship looked too flat and thin from some angles?

Or was it just an accident based on inaccurate drawings or something?

 

It's the original footage. Someone said the original wasn't CG, so that's why they were able to reproduce it so nicely.

 

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/9/9d/USS_Enterprise-D,_TNG_Season_1-2.jpg

they could have just used the 6 foot warp shot.

 

This would decrease the amounts of different shots... where is the sense in that?

Look at the untouched original TOS. They had what? 5 different exterior shots?

That's why they build the 4 footer in the first place, to increase the amount of SFX shots with new, more dynamic scenes.

 

They fattened her up to account for the Ten Forward set and the resulting two deck rim on the saucer and secondary hull.

 

Sure, but they replicated the original 6 footer warp shot with the 4 footer, and now CBS has replicated the 4 footer warp shot with a CGI model that is attempting to better replicate the 6 footer. It's the same very basic shot. Why go to the trouble of replicating an already replicated shot to get 6 footer asthetics when you can just go back to the 6 footer footage that has just been remastered?

 

No it is not the same shot... Take a closer look... the 6 footer passes the camera with it's saucer above, whereas the 4 footer passes the camera with it's saucer to the right of the camera. The angle is slightly different!

 

I said the same 'basic' shot. Either keep the 4 foot version or go to the 6 foot version...unless the footage doesn't exist anymore but I am doubtful of that since it appeared so often.

 

Yeah, I don't see any virtue to doing an essentially identical shot with a CG model either. Almost no one's going to notice.