DS9 = WORST Star Trek Series EVER

[Tidus79001]

IMO The negative/confrontational nature of the original post and thread title was just a way for the OP to bait Niners into getting defensive over DS9. The OP could have simply stated that he didn't enjoy the few DS9 episodes he had seen and stated the reasons.

Yeah you are right it was baiting. I see many on the Trek BBS bash Voyager, and it fans. Those people are often intolerant, dismissisve, and rude to Voyager fan (especially the Bring Back Janeyway fans). This thread for me was started & intended to be turn about is fair play.

 

[Tidus79001]

It seems the OP justs get off on upsetting people. Now, to be fair, I myself went into the Voyager forum and posted a thread entitled "Voyager's main problems." However, I don't think I ever demonstrated the kind of disrespect the OP has shown, nor was my intention to piss off Voyager fans or say that the show was complete crap. I hoped to start an honest discussion of its flaws. I watched the series in its entirety during its initial run, and I enjoyed it, but still felt it had a lot of problems.

DS9 was always my favorite Trek. I don't mind if people criticize or say it's just not for them; but my hackles are raised when someone just flat-out attacks the show, especially when they've barely watched any of it. For example, I might have a feeling that ENT was not a great show, but I'm not really gonna talk about it, because I've only caught an episode or two, so I can't really fairly judge the quality of the show as a whole. This really is borderline trolling.

I respect that you don't like it, and never said told anyone that they shouldn't watch it. I am just debating the merits for the quality of the show.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

Can you just leave now then?

 

[DestinyCaptain]

Bottom line;

Behr > Taylor
RDM > Braga
Echevarria, Hewitt Wolfe, Beimler > Biller

DS9 was far better executed than Voyager, which itself, had a decent idea at its core.

Does Voyager really have anything that rivals the likes of Far Beyond the Stars or The Visitor? I don't think so.

DS9 juggled a heavily serialised core arc of the Dominion war with numerous ongoing strands such as the Section 31 stories, the Mirror Universe stories, Bashir's spy stories, the Jack Pack episodes, the Maquis episodes, the Klingon episodes, the Ferengi episodes, the Prophets/Pah'Wraith episodes. What did Voyager get? A Flash Gordon skit and some stereotypical 'Oirish' stories?

Need we even mention characters? DS9's peripheral cast of characters were often better rounded than at least half of Voyager's principle cast.

Voyager was a great idea - blighted by poor casting, poor writing and generally poor leadership.

DS9 - excelled in most areas, particularly if you had the attention span necessary to follow a serialised story.

DS9 vs VOY - absolute no-contest.

That was about the most effecient post on the subject ever. Bravo! VOY just makes me sad because it could have been better and it wasted every bit of talent associated with it.

 

[Tidus79001]

Of course, coming in here to bash DS9 means all bets are off and everyone should let him have it.

Oh, EEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK! I am scared now!

I'm surprised this hasn't happened already. The responses have been surprisingly nice.

Boo Hoo your feelings are hurt because I don't like DS9, and because I am debating the merits for the quality of the show. Just expressing my opinion. Like I have never seen my favorite show bashed before. Like I said turn about is fair play.

 

[Tidus79001]

Quoting yourself again? Jesus, Dude, narcissist much?

Why should I keep retyping my same points out because people are either too lazy to read them, or too incompetent to realize I have already stated these things earlier the thread.

 

[Tidus79001]

I would just like to say, I've seen every episode of TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise. I have not seen all of TOS nor much of TAS, so I can't make an informed opinion on those so I shan't.

Personally, I prefer DS9 over the other shows I've seen, and would say that is objectively the best show out of them 4. Critically, it is also generally the most preferred spinoff. Ratings wise, it's impossible to compare due to the fact it was syndicated, and not a network darling like Voyager wasn't.

Now Tidus79001, I would rarely say a persons opinion is wrong, however yours is most certainly not right. At the very least its uninformed from your own admission, at worst its a desperate cry for attention from someone who is otherwise mentally incapable of making a rational argument. Quite frankly I'm amazed this thread exists, because I'm sure i've been slapped on the wrist for far less in my time here. Simply coming on here to have a big piss all over something to the degree of "Its the WORST ever because IT SUCKS and because VOYAGER RULEZ" is something akin to the antithesis of a Star Trek fan. At least, an educated well informed fan who understands what the show is about, and can digest the themes of tolerance and understanding of which it is based upon. Sure, none of us are going to win any Nobel Peace prizes for getting Star Trek, but you seldom find anyone here making a post like this in earnest. Maybe you just like Voyager for the space battles and the flashing lights? But then DS9 had bigger and badder ones. Maybe because of 7 of 9's tits? They are pretty mighty I guess. Maybe because you really hate the character of Harry Kim, and enjoy watching 7 seasons of him being stuck in some kind of Starfleet purgatory, forever chained to that ops station for all of eternity? I don't know. But here's something I do know:

Until you can come on line, act like a grown up and make a coherent argument about anything, or at least make a serious attempt to watch the show your talking about (I'm sure when you wrote a book report at school, you didn't only read the first chapter and then say in your report you found it boring, and how Call of Duty is WAY more fun and then got an A for it) and THEN talk about it? As Black Dynamite says, "You best learn to shut the fuck up when grown folks is talkin'."

I respect your choice of favorite Trek series. I am just debating the merits for the quality of the show.

 

[Tosk]

Meh. I don't really care if someone does or doesn't like a show I like. We all have different taste. What I find odd is that anyone would go to a specific forum to specifially state that "X is the worst show EVER" and then claim to be debating the merits of the show.

If you don't like it, watch something else. I might write a post on why I don't like VOY if it's relevant to a thread, but I don't go to the VOY forum and start new threads about how much it sucks.

Still, I took the time to write this post, so more fool me.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

It doesn't bother me when people criticize DS9 because I have the critics on my side :-)

 

[Tora Ziyal]

Yeah you are right it was baiting. I see many on the Trek BBS bash Voyager, and it fans. Those people are often intolerant, dismissisve, and rude to Voyager fan (especially the Bring Back Janeyway fans). This thread for me was started & intended to be turn about is fair play.

Very mature attitude.

 

[CorporalClegg]

DS9 is the only Star Trek series in history to have done this.

False, Voyager did it as well with Robert Duncan McNeil as I pointed out earlier. You still haven't told us why this is a bad thing.

Ummm you need to check you facts. Robert Duncan McNeil was never as cast member of any series he was a guest star one TNG episode. Also on that episode he played Cadet First Class Nicholas Locarno. Tom Paris was written to be very similar to that previous character Robert Duncan McNeil played (Cadet First Class Nicholas Locarno). The writers decided that they couldn't reuse the same old character because it would create an unnecessary & time consuming backstory that would have been inconvenient.

THANK YOU! COME AGAIN!

You need to recheck your facts. The Name "Locarno" was not used over a matter of copy write loyalties.

THANK YOU .... Eh. not worth the effort.

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I respect that you don't like it, and never said told anyone that they shouldn't watch it. I am just debating the merits for the quality of the show.

Boo Hoo your feelings are hurt because I don't like DS9, and because I am debating the merits for the quality of the show. Just expressing my opinion. Like I have never seen my favorite show bashed before. Like I said turn about is fair play.

I respect your choice of favorite Trek series. I am just debating the merits for the quality of the show.

Repeating something over and over again does not make it true.

 

[Tosk]

Yeah you are right it was baiting. I see many on the Trek BBS bash Voyager, and it fans. Those people are often intolerant, dismissisve, and rude to Voyager fan (especially the Bring Back Janeyway fans). This thread for me was started & intended to be turn about is fair play.

I just had a flick through the whole thread and I see a lot of people respectfully disagreeing with you. Almost no rudeness from them at all.

So the thread was started with the express intent of riling people up, and all you got were reasonable responses. I guess you've really proven today who is (in your words) "dismissive and rude".

 

[Gary7]

 

[GalaxyX]

I usually don't come in here because I can't stand DS9, but I respect people that enjoy the show.

I think frankly that it was badly ripping off the much better Babylon 5, and nuBSG surpassed both series.

 

[Silvercrest]

Of course, coming in here to bash DS9 means all bets are off and everyone should let him have it.

Oh, EEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK! I am scared now!

I'm surprised this hasn't happened already. The responses have been surprisingly nice.

Boo Hoo your feelings are hurt because I don't like DS9, and because I am debating the merits for the quality of the show. Just expressing my opinion.

Calling other posters lazy and incompetent isn't just expressing an opinion. You're not debating anything; you're just baiting.

Oh, and you attributed the posts backward. Aragorn made the first post, I made the second.

Yeah you are right it was baiting. I see many on the Trek BBS bash Voyager, and it fans. Those people are often intolerant, dismissisve, and rude to Voyager fan (especially the Bring Back Janeyway fans). This thread for me was started & intended to be turn about is fair play.

If you're going to start threads with the express intent to troll, your lifespan on this board will be measured with a stopwatch.

 

[Destructor]

I have only seen a handful of DS9 episodes.

DS9 = WORST Star Trek Series EVER

The wrongness of your wrongness is so unbearably wrong that I can't even begin to point out the wrongness of it.

 

[RyuRoots]

I have only seen a handful of DS9 episodes.

DS9 = WORST Star Trek Series EVER

The wrongness of your wrongness is so unbearably wrong that I can't even begin to point out the wrongness of it.

It feels like Lex Luthor should come in any second now.

 

[zar]

Ummm you need to check you facts. Robert Duncan McNeil was never as cast member of any series he was a guest star one TNG episode.

Correct. When did I ever say he was a permanent cast member on TNG? This is what you said:

DS9 was so awful it was the first & only Star Trek series that hired an actor from a previous series (Michael Dorn) to reprise their character role (Worf) as permanent cast member addition.

There's nothing in that statement about the character being a permanent cast member on the previous series. And so it was incorrect: Voyager hired an actor from a previous series to reprise their character as a permanent cast member.

Also on that episode he played Cadet First Class Nicholas Locarno.

Correct. There is no need to tell me this; if you were paying attention you know that I already pointed it out:

Voyager did it with Robert Duncan McNeil (who was supposed to be Nick Locarno from TNG)

The writers decided that they couldn't reuse the same old character because it would create an unnecessary & time consuming backstory that would have been inconvenient.

Incorrect. They wanted him to be Nick Locarno. They changed the name and slightly tweaked the background only to avoid royalties. That doesn't change the fact that a decision was originally made to include Nick Locarno, a character from an earlier series -- which according to you is a sign of failure. I am still waiting for you to tell us why you think so, and why Voyager is immune.

Yeah you are right it was baiting. I see many on the Trek BBS bash Voyager, and it fans. Those people are often intolerant, dismissisve, and rude to Voyager fan (especially the Bring Back Janeyway fans). This thread for me was started & intended to be turn about is fair play.

Well, your experiment seems to be failing. You seem to be the only one here who is intolerant, dismissive, and rude. I can only speak for myself: I'm not intolerant of your opinion, I just have an issue with you declaring baseless things about behind-the-scenes history that aren't true. Rather than being dismissive of your claims, I'm informing you of the actual facts and asking you questions; you dismiss them and simply repeat your falsehoods. And if I'm being rude, it's not my intent.

 

[Tidus79001]

False, Voyager did it as well with Robert Duncan McNeil as I pointed out earlier. You still haven't told us why this is a bad thing.

Ummm you need to check you facts. Robert Duncan McNeil was never as cast member of any series he was a guest star one TNG episode. Also on that episode he played Cadet First Class Nicholas Locarno. Tom Paris was written to be very similar to that previous character Robert Duncan McNeil played (Cadet First Class Nicholas Locarno). The writers decided that they couldn't reuse the same old character because it would create an unnecessary & time consuming backstory that would have been inconvenient.

THANK YOU! COME AGAIN!

You need to recheck your facts. The Name "Locarno" was not used over a matter of copy write loyalties.

THANK YOU .... Eh. not worth the effort.

I am not going to bother any further debate on that topic. The producers of Voyager talked specifically about Tom Paris, and why they didn't use him as the same character. This is on a special feature interview that is on the Voyager DVD's. Case closed.

Boo Hoo your feelings are hurt because I don't like DS9, and because I am debating the merits for the quality of the show. Just expressing my opinion. Like I have never seen my favorite show bashed before. Like I said turn about is fair play.

I respect your choice of favorite Trek series. I am just debating the merits for the quality of the show.

Repeating something over and over again does not make it true.

I personally don't care what you think. If people like DS9 then fine. Your doubts about me stating that is how I feel are completely & totally irrelevant to me.

 

[RoJoHen]

"I watched a few episodes of DS9, and I didn't like them, so I stopped watching."

VS.

"Based on the few episodes of DS9 I saw, I determined that it's obviously the worst Trek series of all time."


We'd take your argument way more seriously if you started with the first one.