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DS9 = WORST Star Trek Series EVER

I loathe these junior member major stab type postings. They border on trolling. I find people that lob such comments usually bereft of logical reasoning and insightful opinions. And often all they achieve is to just stir up the clash of members on their love/hate opinions of Star Trek series.

Each series has it's merits. I would never say any of them were totally awful or insultingly dumb. Each has their loser and winner episodes. They all contribute to the franchise and I wouldn't want any of them abolished.
 
Of course, coming in here to bash DS9 means all bets are off and everyone should let him have it.

I'm surprised this hasn't happened already. The responses have been surprisingly nice.

Because if he's gonna bitch and moan about a show he intends to hate before, during and after, we already know how this will end.

He bashed it in his initial post. In a subsequent post he claimed he's going to give it a fair chance at a rewatch. Then he went back to complaining how dumb it is, how awful it is, how he'd rather watch anything else. (As I said earlier, when does the "fair" part come in?)

And all this after accusing another poster of a non sequitur! :guffaw:
 
I generally dislike ENT, but with it on Netflix now, I am going to try and give it a second chance. I stopped watching it during Season 2 and have caught random bits of Season 3 (where it seemed to be getting better), but I think I need to give it another shot.

It's worth doing. I did the same thing and now I really like the show. Your mileage may vary, but it's worth the effort.
My biggest problem the first time around was that I just didn't care for the characters that much. I thought they were extremely dull.

I did, too. This time, though, I noticed all their little quirks and mannerisms, and it was fun because I found them to be remarkably consistent.
 
TOS was designed as an episodic show and remained so.

TNG was designed as an episodic show and remained so.

DSN was designed as an episodic show and evvoled into a more serialised show.

VOY was designed as an seriealised show and devolved into an episodic show.

ENT was designed as an episodic show, changed to a serilaised show in the third season and a semi-serialised show in the 4th.

I have nothing against episodic shows, I like shows like NCIS, CSI (the Grissom years) etc..

I also like more serialised shows such as The West Wing.

One of my biggest issues with VOY is that it abondoned it's premise, The premise had so much potential but the writers treated it more like another TNG. As they dare not take a risk but remain safe. It's not just some fans that have said this some of the Writers of the show have. Taking a risk might fail but at least they would get credit for trying.
 
You're pretty lucky we're being so nice. Its liking walking into a Baltimore bar and screaming "the Ravens suck because their offense is boring"

A few of the more bombastic members (Odo and myself to name 2) probably have you in their phaser sights right now, if you carry on w/this.

Now, make the decison. 1) Watch the series in its entirety and get back w/us

2) Keep on griping and bitching then just STFU and GTHO.

Final point.

In 1993, when DS9 came on, I watched w/anticipation and was disjointed. I tried watching over the years but couldn't get into it.

Then I caught Sacrifice of Angles late night and it all changed. Give it a chance.

Just think before you start semi-trolling w/sand all up in your vagina needing a midol
 
:barf: Oh puke. :brickwall: I had enough of the touch-feely exploration of the inner depths of our feeling from watching TNG (why didn't they just phase Deanna Tori into sub atomic particles).

Hmm, you don't like touchy-feely, yet you bang on about Voyager? Jeri Taylor introduced more fluff into that show than there is in all of the belly-buttons the world over. :rolleyes:

If I were you, I'd not bother trying to 'get' DS9, it's clearly not for you. Perhaps you should try something like Andromeda instead.....
 
Hard to judge DS9 as being worst ever when you openly admit you haven't seen hardly any of it.
I have seen enough over the years to know that everytime I turn & try to watch it on it makes me turn it off again because it stinks that bad
You have smell-a-vision? OMG! Want!

The writers are right you don't need a fancy ship to explore...
Non sequitur. Your facts are uncoordinated. If the writer were right about not needing a ship then why after 2 season did the suddenly add the defiant. They realized they made a big mistake that was hurting the rating of the show. When major changes are made to revamp a series such as adding a new ship, or hiring a actor from a previous series (Michael Dorn) to reprise their character role (Worf) as permanent cast member addition that is a sign the a show is flagging.
And yet similar changes were made to Voyager on several occasions. They have been well documented and debated to death. Several have already been presented in this thread. You chose to ignore them. I can list more if it meets your fancy.

Also, do me a favor: find a dictionary and look up non sequitur.

Adding, or replacing a cast member with one from a previous series is & remains a DS9 exclusive.
DS9 is the only Star Trek series in history to have done this.
Quoting yourself, huh?

...there is more than one kind of exploration, exploration of humanity and interacting with all the various alien cultures that travel to the station as opposed to the tired planet of the week setup.
:barf: Oh puke. :brickwall: I had enough of the touch-feely exploration of the inner depths of our feeling from watching TNG (why didn't they just phase Deanna Tori into sub atomic particles).
Where do you get "inner depths of our feelings" from "humanity"? That seems like a logical fallacy perhaps even a ... Oh never mind.

Maybe Voyager is more your speed, then...
Yep you got it right. Voyager is among some of the best Star Trek ever produced. Right up the with the likes of the Star Trek: The Original Series.
This is a joke, right? You're just having a little fun with us. Very cleaver.

In case you really were serious, then I would be more than happy to honor you by starting a similar thread in the Voyager forums. Be warned though as it is sure to be more factual, coherent, and well informed than this one.

I actually, like Voyager and find it more entertaining than TNG, but holy fuck did it have its problems.


Voyager was the series that got Star Trek back to its roots of exploring strange new world, to seeking out new life and new civilizations and boldly going where no one had gone before.
If by "exploring" and "seeking out new life" you really mean aimlessly stumbling around in the dark hoping to get lucky like a blind man at a circle-jerk, then you're probably right.


DS9 was so awful it was the first & only Star Trek series that hired a actor from a previous series (Michael Dorn) to reprise their character role (Worf) as permanent cast member addition.
Adding, or replacing a cast member with one from a previous series is & remains a DS9 exclusive.
Nuff said!
Quoting yourself again? Jesus, Dude, narcissist much?

The Defiant was introduced for plot related reasons - they'd introduced a threat capable of taking out a Galaxy class starship, which at the time was considered the best ship Starfleet had to offer, and all DS9 the station had as a defense were three dinky little runabouts. It was give them something with some teeth or completely defang their new villain before they'd managed to do anything with them by letting them be defeated essentially by fleas in comparison.
Plot reasons being reshaping the show from sitting on a space station that was totally boring. They revamped the show by adding the Defiant so that there could be adventures off the space station. You can only go so far with episode that are on the space station each week.
First of all, I think you need to educate yourself to the real behind-the-scenes reasons the changes were made. Incidentally, a lot had to do with certain "talent" leaving to go do Voyager.

More importantly, however, your argument fails because, even after its introduction, The Defiant was used very little--maybe 10% of the time. It was really just a glorified new set piece. You'd know that if you actually watched the show.

Furthermore, the handful of episodes that are pretty unanimously considered the best of the series spent little or no time what-so-ever aboard The Defiant. This includes the most critically acclaimed Star Trek episode to date.

Also, one such episode occurs at the end of season one. So you can throw that argument out the window too.
 
I would just like to say, I've seen every episode of TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise. I have not seen all of TOS nor much of TAS, so I can't make an informed opinion on those so I shan't.

Personally, I prefer DS9 over the other shows I've seen, and would say that is objectively the best show out of them 4. Critically, it is also generally the most preferred spinoff. Ratings wise, it's impossible to compare due to the fact it was syndicated, and not a network darling like Voyager wasn't.

Now Tidus79001, I would rarely say a persons opinion is wrong, however yours is most certainly not right. At the very least its uninformed from your own admission, at worst its a desperate cry for attention from someone who is otherwise mentally incapable of making a rational argument. Quite frankly I'm amazed this thread exists, because I'm sure i've been slapped on the wrist for far less in my time here. Simply coming on here to have a big piss all over something to the degree of "Its the WORST ever because IT SUCKS and because VOYAGER RULEZ" is something akin to the antithesis of a Star Trek fan. At least, an educated well informed fan who understands what the show is about, and can digest the themes of tolerance and understanding of which it is based upon. Sure, none of us are going to win any Nobel Peace prizes for getting Star Trek, but you seldom find anyone here making a post like this in earnest. Maybe you just like Voyager for the space battles and the flashing lights? But then DS9 had bigger and badder ones. Maybe because of 7 of 9's tits? They are pretty mighty I guess. Maybe because you really hate the character of Harry Kim, and enjoy watching 7 seasons of him being stuck in some kind of Starfleet purgatory, forever chained to that ops station for all of eternity? I don't know. But here's something I do know:

Until you can come on line, act like a grown up and make a coherent argument about anything, or at least make a serious attempt to watch the show your talking about (I'm sure when you wrote a book report at school, you didn't only read the first chapter and then say in your report you found it boring, and how Call of Duty is WAY more fun and then got an A for it) and THEN talk about it? As Black Dynamite says, "You best learn to shut the fuck up when grown folks is talkin'."
 
I must admit, I just starting watching DS9, however so far I find it very refreshing. It is a nice change from the other series. I find Enterprise the worst of all.
 
Bottom line;

Behr > Taylor
RDM > Braga
Echevarria, Hewitt Wolfe, Beimler > Biller

DS9 was far better executed than Voyager, which itself, had a decent idea at its core.

Does Voyager really have anything that rivals the likes of Far Beyond the Stars or The Visitor? I don't think so.

DS9 juggled a heavily serialised core arc of the Dominion war with numerous ongoing strands such as the Section 31 stories, the Mirror Universe stories, Bashir's spy stories, the Jack Pack episodes, the Maquis episodes, the Klingon episodes, the Ferengi episodes, the Prophets/Pah'Wraith episodes. What did Voyager get? A Flash Gordon skit and some stereotypical 'Oirish' stories?

Need we even mention characters? DS9's peripheral cast of characters were often better rounded than at least half of Voyager's principle cast.

Voyager was a great idea - blighted by poor casting, poor writing and generally poor leadership.

DS9 - excelled in most areas, particularly if you had the attention span necessary to follow a serialised story.

DS9 vs VOY - absolute no-contest.
 
Perhaps I missed the point of Trek well at least TOS, is that it was more about exploring what it meant to be human, Rather than exporing strange new worlds and seeking out new civilisations. It mereley used those worlds and civilisations to explore what it meant to be human. VOY had many flaws but Characters like the EMH grew and developed over time, others not so much. Whilst worse stil other characters flipped flopped from episode to episode. The charatcer of 7 of 9 as others have already been said was added to try and bolster ratings. VOY did occasionaly show signs of the potentail to be a great show.

A quick rating

TOS: Good, A great first two seasons let down my a very poor S3 (aside from a few episodes)

TNG: Good, A weak start but S3-5 where great unfortunatly the quality started to tail off during S6

DSN: Excellent, it generally mainted a consistant quality thoughout S3-7. Even S1-2 where better than S1-2 of TNG. Not to say it didn't have it's stinkers.

VOY: Fair, same tired old stories that I've seen before with barely an attempt at a new spin on them. It did have it's moments but to me they where too few of them.

ENT: Fair, similar issues to VOY at least in S1-2. Began to improve in S3 and then cut down in S4 just when it was getting good (excepting TATV). Seriously at times I though Reed should have been in command as he semed more competant at times than Archer.
 
It seems the OP justs get off on upsetting people. Now, to be fair, I myself went into the Voyager forum and posted a thread entitled "Voyager's main problems." However, I don't think I ever demonstrated the kind of disrespect the OP has shown, nor was my intention to piss off Voyager fans or say that the show was complete crap. I hoped to start an honest discussion of its flaws. I watched the series in its entirety during its initial run, and I enjoyed it, but still felt it had a lot of problems.

DS9 was always my favorite Trek. I don't mind if people criticize or say it's just not for them; but my hackles are raised when someone just flat-out attacks the show, especially when they've barely watched any of it. For example, I might have a feeling that ENT was not a great show, but I'm not really gonna talk about it, because I've only caught an episode or two, so I can't really fairly judge the quality of the show as a whole. This really is borderline trolling.
 
Adding, or replacing a cast member with one from a previous series is & remains a DS9 exclusive.
DS9 is the only Star Trek series in history to have done this.

False, Voyager did it as well with Robert Duncan McNeil as I pointed out earlier. You still haven't told us why this is a bad thing.
Ummm you need to check you facts. Robert Duncan McNeil was never as cast member of any series he was a guest star one TNG episode. Also on that episode he played Cadet First Class Nicholas Locarno. Tom Paris was written to be very similar to that previous character Robert Duncan McNeil played (Cadet First Class Nicholas Locarno). The writers decided that they couldn't reuse the same old character because it would create an unnecessary & time consuming backstory that would have been inconvenient.

:guffaw:THANK YOU! COME AGAIN!:guffaw:
 
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