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At the Prophet's Door - new DRGIII TNG novel?

With any other power, I'd agree -- but I really don't think there is a middle ground with the Borg. They're either there just to take a look-see or they're there to take over.

But take over what? Like I keep saying, the Federation isn't one place, it's hundreds of widely separated worlds. Evidence from canon and the literature suggests that, as per Anderson's portrayal, the interstellar civilization is so immense that it's something of a fiction to treat it as a singular, unified entity. The Federation isn't particularly localized either; it has arms and offshoots stretching far beyond its core territory and even beyond its neighbors' core territory. Sure, it's a stretch, but maybe the Borg could've gobbled up a set of colonies that were relatively close to their territory, close enough to trigger some threshold response even when the Borg weren't prepared to invade the core of the Federation. And then the Federation decided not to try any further colonization in that direction. Hence, "they assimilate entire worlds and we fall back." Hence Picard's talk of compromises and retreat.



Christopher, it's not that I'm not hearing what others are saying. It's that I simply, and without ambiguity, disagree.

And that's the problem. Ambiguity is important, because it allows flexibility and compromise and understanding. And ambiguity is far more commonly found in the universe than its absence. The more complex a system, even one as seemingly monovalued as the Borg, the more inevitable it becomes that it will have conflicting forces influencing its behavior, or that its behavior will be highly sensitive to initial conditions -- thus producing ambiguity.

And ambiguity is interesting. It's easy to make straightforward assumptions about how we expect the Borg to behave, but it's a lot more fun to imagine the possibilities that defy our expectations.


I've explained why I don't think it's reasonable to interpret Picard's line in ST:FC as referring to anything beyond the occasional, isolated, small-scale attack (if that). Others disagree. I don't think there's anything left to say.

But we're here to have discussions, aren't we? So we should be open to finding new things to say. That's the whole reason I'm exploring this line of thought. The fact is, I consider your interpretation to be more plausible than the alternatives, all things considered. But it's also more obvious than the alternatives, so that makes the alternatives interesting. It's creatively challenging, and therefore fun, to try to figure out ways in which the alternatives could be true.
 
Haven't there been Borg attacks in the books? Wasn't there a Borg attack in Vendetta?

Insofar as I can remember the events of that novel -- it's been a very long time -- I'd be more inclined to describe the events of Vendetta as another full-on invasion, a follow-up to the failed invasion of "The Best of Both Worlds."
 
^Oh, yeah. Vendetta's invasion was even bigger than the one in FC. Multiple cubes invading at once. Which does make it difficult to reconcile with the "six years" line in FC, and with the fact that it was never subsequently mentioned in canon.
 
There have already been smaller borg engagements in the trek lit relaunch:
For example, "DS9:Lesser" evil establishes how the borg destroyed a mining colony, or the borg story from "Seven deadly sins".

Smaller engagements between the federation and the borg DID take place.
The question is only - how many?

^Oh, yeah. Vendetta's invasion was even bigger than the one in FC. Multiple cubes invading at once. Which does make it difficult to reconcile with the "six years" line in FC, and with the fact that it was never subsequently mentioned in canon.

In "Vendetta", the borg did not come as close to assimilating Earth - to crippling the federation - as they did in FC or BOBW.
This could explain why that invasion left a smaller imprint on a Federation who meets god-like aliens every second tuesday - meetings which have little or no effect beyond the starfleet ships dealing with them.
 
Not every story needs to mention what is happening elsewhere in the world unless it pertains to the story being told. When I watch Breaking Bad, I don't wonder why they never talk about fighting in Afghanistan. We want this to be different in our Trek fiction, but references should only show up when helpful. In a movie like Insurrection, it makes little sense to spend 5 minutes talking about a different story when there's no relevance to the one we're actually watching. It's a big universe, lotta stuff going on at once.
 
It really bothers me how poorly the franchise as well as S&S market their books. I wonder if they even try to generate enthusiasm or if they expect the books to just sell themselves based upon the fan following.
They're tie-ins to series that went off the air almost a decade ago (Enterprise) or longer. There's not exactly a great untapped market just waiting for ads to tell them that the product is out there...
 
It really bothers me how poorly the franchise as well as S&S market their books. I wonder if they even try to generate enthusiasm or if they expect the books to just sell themselves based upon the fan following.

I think I recall Marco or Margaret saying that Pocket/Gallery/S&S realised, quite a while ago, that actively pushing the ST books elsewhere wasn't getting much of a result - not unless there was a ST TV series currently running, or a ST movie forthcoming, so S&S settles for a regular spot in the "ST Magazine", including advance chapters and (sometimes) original artwork organised by the magazine, where it clearly targets the core audience. Plus some online previews.

Mostly, the books do sell themselves. A lot of us have standing orders to buy every ST book that comes along. No amount of publicity is going to increase the amount I spend on ST.
 
There have already been smaller borg engagements in the trek lit relaunch:
For example, "DS9:Lesser" evil establishes how the borg destroyed a mining colony, or the borg story from "Seven deadly sins".

Smaller engagements between the federation and the borg DID take place.
The question is only - how many?
Yeah, but both of those were years after FC, so they didn't take place during the 6 years between BoBW and FC.
 
There have already been smaller borg engagements in the trek lit relaunch:
For example, "DS9:Lesser evil" establishes how the borg destroyed a mining colony, or the borg story from "Seven deadly sins".

Smaller engagements between the federation and the borg DID take place.
The question is only - how many?
Yeah, but both of those were years after FC, so they didn't take place during the 6 years between BoBW and FC.
DS9's 'Lesser evil' borg encounter resulting in the destruction of the mining colony (see Vaughn's flashback) - after FC?
I beg to differ, JD
 
Oh, I forgot about that. I was thinking of the stuff with Ruriko in the Gamma Quadrant.
 
Solicitation cover image for Plagues of Night now up in the digital catalog: https://catalog.simonandschuster.com/TitleDetails/TitleDetails.aspx?cid=1304&isbn=9781451649550

Full-size image: https://catalog.simonandschuster.com/Covers800/9781451649550.jpg

It'll probably turn out to be wrong - again - although the trade dress does look unusually far advanced for a solicitation cover (compare the various iterations of The Rings of Time, for example).

I think its a fair bet (if this is the actual cover) that the Galaxy-class ship is the Robinson, although its registry is odd at NCC-17842... and what kind of ship is that heading into (or coming out of...) the wormhole? :vulcan:
 
Wow. The only thing I don't like is the blue streak from the Defiant, but that cover is freaking amazing. I don't think DS9 has been rendered as CGI for a cover since Millennium.
 
I think it's quite a poor render really, with sloppy textures and crappy lighting....
 
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