At the Prophet's Door - new DRGIII TNG novel?

[The Wormhole]

I personally don't think it's a wise idea to fill in the missing five years completely. Maybe the occasional flashback if it's relevant to a story at hand.

 

[Christopher]

^As I pointed out in the other thread, it's not five years, it's four. Rough Beasts of Empire begins four years and one month after The Soul Key ends. (Also, "Reservoir Ferengi" in Seven Deadly Sins fills in the first year of the gap as far as certain Ferengi characters such as Brunt and Gaila are concerned.)

I think the "five-year gap" myth comes from the fact that Zero Sum Game, which begins more than a year after RBoE does, was published before RBoE. So the first new DS9 novel published since TSK took place 5 years and change after it, but then another one came along soon thereafter and filled in that last year or so.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

I don't really consider them continuations of the DS9 saga. Yes, they borrowed elements from DS9, but they did so in the context of being "a sequel to A Singular Destiny", not "the next story in the saga of Deep Space Nine".

That's illogical. The current approach to Trek Lit is blended to the extent that one series' storylines can be advanced in books that don't carry that series' banner. For instance, Destiny was an integral part of both the TNG and Titan series continuities, and TNG: Before Dishonor was pivotal to the Voyager continuity.

As for the Typhon Pact books, you're reading too much into a title banner that was chosen for marketing purposes. The sales department wanted it to be called just Star Trek: Typhon Pact with no individual series titles to give the impression that it was a crossover epic like Destiny, but it's really more in the vein of the loose crossovers of the past like Invasion! or Captain's Table: not one integral story, but multiple independent stories in various distinct series that share a loosely unifying theme. Despite the labeling, Seize the Fire was the next Titan novel and Paths of Disharmony and The Struggle Within were TNG through and through. By the same token, Zero Sum Game is a pure DS9 story. Yes, it only focuses on a few characters and elements from DS9 rather than the whole cast, but the same goes for the various installments in Worlds of DS9, and indeed for quite a few episodes of the series. Rough Beasts of Empire is the only "hybrid" entry, blending a DS9 thread with a Spock/Romulan thread, but it is definitely a direct and crucial continuation of the DS9 narrative, providing long-awaited answers to what happened to the cast after The Soul Key and setting up the new status quo for the series going forward. RBoE is as indispensable to the DS9 novel continuity as Destiny is to the TNG or TTN continuity.

And calling any of them "the sequel to A Singular Destiny" doesn't make sense. ASD set up the new political status quo; the various TP novels are entries in the various series that are informed by that broad status quo. It's not a single storyline, it's a backdrop for storylines. For instance, TNG's "Journey's End" introduced a new astropolitical status quo with the Cardassian treaty and the Demilitarized Zone, and DS9's "The Maquis" revealed the consequences of that status quo, and then numerous episodes of TNG, DS9, and VGR made use of the political elements introduced there. But does that mean that, say, VGR's "Worst Case Scenario" was a direct sequel to "Journey's End" and therefore shouldn't be considered a VGR episode? Of course not, any more than a DS9 episode about Romulan intrigue should be counted as a sequel to TNG's "The Neutral Zone." The Typhon Pact isn't a single storyline, it's an overall astropolitical backdrop that can drive or influence many independent stories, just as the existence of the Maquis or the Romulans informed many otherwise unrelated stories in the various TV series. (Yes, Typhon Pact is labeled as an ongoing series, but that's a matter of marketing strategy.)




DS9 literature has never been telling a single story. It's always had multiple threads, some of which only overlapped to a limited degree. Remember Rising Son? Jake had his own story that proceeded independently of the rest for quite a while. And Mission: Gamma had the Defiant in a variety of episodic adventures virtually unconnected to the more serialized storyline back home. Then you had Worlds of DS9, which told six distinct stories at the same time.

Not to mention that DS9 is one facet of the larger Trek continuity and should not be treated in isolation, particularly in the context of the current, more interconnected Trek Lit universe. As I said, a given series can be substantively advanced even in books that don't bear its logo.




Look upward in this thread and you'll find plot descriptions for DRGIII's upcoming duology that specifically mention Sisko, Ro, and the Bajoran system and wormhole playing crucial roles in the story -- not to mention cover art showing Deep Space 9 and the wormhole. I'd say that's pretty obvious word of the next books in the saga.

True But I would sink money into a new base on the more defensible side of the wormhole first before u build a new base on the weaker side.

If you've already got a base on one side, then the natural next step is to build a base on the other side so that it won't be the weaker side anymore.

Sure assuming your base on the strong side was made out of up to date federation technology and not almost 50 year old cardassian tech and retrofitted Federation tech.

Considering the Cardassian Union from what I remember signed the Khitomer Accords and as such is a federation ally and there isn't really that much of any federation enemies out there I don't see a reason that they would need a state of the art starbase out there.

Plus I'm pretty sure DS9 was still standing in Zero Sum Game.

 

[The Wormhole]

^As I pointed out in the other thread, it's not five years, it's four. Rough Beasts of Empire begins four years and one month after The Soul Key ends. (Also, "Reservoir Ferengi" in Seven Deadly Sins fills in the first year of the gap as far as certain Ferengi characters such as Brunt and Gaila are concerned.)

I think the "five-year gap" myth comes from the fact that Zero Sum Game, which begins more than a year after RBoE does, was published before RBoE. So the first new DS9 novel published since TSK took place 5 years and change after it, but then another one came along soon thereafter and filled in that last year or so.

I'm ony just getting back into the novels over the past year and a half after a bit of a five year break myself, so I'm not completely up to speed regarding everything. I see everyone discussing a five year gap, and I repsonded accordingly.

 

[Christopher]

^And now you know that you were misled by those other people's comments. I'm just trying to be informative, not judgmental.

 

[JD]

That's illogical. The current approach to Trek Lit is blended to the extent that one series' storylines can be advanced in books that don't carry that series' banner. For instance, Destiny was an integral part of both the TNG and Titan series continuities, and TNG: Before Dishonor was pivotal to the Voyager continuity.

As for the Typhon Pact books, you're reading too much into a title banner that was chosen for marketing purposes. The sales department wanted it to be called just Star Trek: Typhon Pact with no individual series titles to give the impression that it was a crossover epic like Destiny, but it's really more in the vein of the loose crossovers of the past like Invasion! or Captain's Table: not one integral story, but multiple independent stories in various distinct series that share a loosely unifying theme. Despite the labeling, Seize the Fire was the next Titan novel and Paths of Disharmony and The Struggle Within were TNG through and through. By the same token, Zero Sum Game is a pure DS9 story. Yes, it only focuses on a few characters and elements from DS9 rather than the whole cast, but the same goes for the various installments in Worlds of DS9, and indeed for quite a few episodes of the series. Rough Beasts of Empire is the only "hybrid" entry, blending a DS9 thread with a Spock/Romulan thread, but it is definitely a direct and crucial continuation of the DS9 narrative, providing long-awaited answers to what happened to the cast after The Soul Key and setting up the new status quo for the series going forward. RBoE is as indispensable to the DS9 novel continuity as Destiny is to the TNG or TTN continuity.

And calling any of them "the sequel to A Singular Destiny" doesn't make sense. ASD set up the new political status quo; the various TP novels are entries in the various series that are informed by that broad status quo. It's not a single storyline, it's a backdrop for storylines. For instance, TNG's "Journey's End" introduced a new astropolitical status quo with the Cardassian treaty and the Demilitarized Zone, and DS9's "The Maquis" revealed the consequences of that status quo, and then numerous episodes of TNG, DS9, and VGR made use of the political elements introduced there. But does that mean that, say, VGR's "Worst Case Scenario" was a direct sequel to "Journey's End" and therefore shouldn't be considered a VGR episode? Of course not, any more than a DS9 episode about Romulan intrigue should be counted as a sequel to TNG's "The Neutral Zone." The Typhon Pact isn't a single storyline, it's an overall astropolitical backdrop that can drive or influence many independent stories, just as the existence of the Maquis or the Romulans informed many otherwise unrelated stories in the various TV series. (Yes, Typhon Pact is labeled as an ongoing series, but that's a matter of marketing strategy.)




DS9 literature has never been telling a single story. It's always had multiple threads, some of which only overlapped to a limited degree. Remember Rising Son? Jake had his own story that proceeded independently of the rest for quite a while. And Mission: Gamma had the Defiant in a variety of episodic adventures virtually unconnected to the more serialized storyline back home. Then you had Worlds of DS9, which told six distinct stories at the same time.

Not to mention that DS9 is one facet of the larger Trek continuity and should not be treated in isolation, particularly in the context of the current, more interconnected Trek Lit universe. As I said, a given series can be substantively advanced even in books that don't bear its logo.




Look upward in this thread and you'll find plot descriptions for DRGIII's upcoming duology that specifically mention Sisko, Ro, and the Bajoran system and wormhole playing crucial roles in the story -- not to mention cover art showing Deep Space 9 and the wormhole. I'd say that's pretty obvious word of the next books in the saga.




If you've already got a base on one side, then the natural next step is to build a base on the other side so that it won't be the weaker side anymore.

Sure assuming your base on the strong side was made out of up to date federation technology and not almost 50 year old cardassian tech and retrofitted Federation tech.

Considering the Cardassian Union from what I remember signed the Khitomer Accords and as such is a federation ally and there isn't really that much of any federation enemies out there I don't see a reason that they would need a state of the art starbase out there.

Plus I'm pretty sure DS9 was still standing in Zero Sum Game.

The fact that there aren't alot of enemies out there, would be a good reason to build a new starbase. Now that the threat of the Dominion is over it seems like it would be a perfect time to start expanding Federation influence into the GQ. If you don't have to worry about the threat of attack, then you can feel free to put all of your resources into things like state of the art starbases with a much lower chance of those resources being wasted when the starbase is destroyed.

 

[Christopher]

The fact that there aren't alot of enemies out there, would be a good reason to build a new starbase. Now that the threat of the Dominion is over it seems like it would be a perfect time to start expanding Federation influence into the GQ. If you don't have to worry about the threat of attack, then you can feel free to put all of your resources into things like state of the art starbases with a much lower chance of those resources being wasted when the starbase is destroyed.

Exactly. This is a good time to solidify a UFP presence on the far side of the wormhole.


By the way, point of order: If poster A writes a long thread and poster B only intends to respond to the last paragraph, it would be appreciated if poster B edits out everything except the part being responded to, so that readers don't have to scroll through a whole bunch of stuff they've already read in order to get to the actual content of a post. And if posters C, D, etc. are responding to that response, then they could at least edit out the parts that poster B didn't edit out, so that readers don't have to scroll through two or more copies of the stuff they've already read. Okay? Thanks.

 

[DimesDan]

The fact that there aren't alot of enemies out there, would be a good reason to build a new starbase. Now that the threat of the Dominion is over it seems like it would be a perfect time to start expanding Federation influence into the GQ. If you don't have to worry about the threat of attack, then you can feel free to put all of your resources into things like state of the art starbases with a much lower chance of those resources being wasted when the starbase is destroyed.

Exactly. This is a good time to solidify a UFP presence on the far side of the wormhole.


By the way, point of order: If poster A writes a long thread and poster B only intends to respond to the last paragraph, it would be appreciated if poster B edits out everything except the part being responded to, so that readers don't have to scroll through a whole bunch of stuff they've already read in order to get to the actual content of a post. And if posters C, D, etc. are responding to that response, then they could at least edit out the parts that poster B didn't edit out, so that readers don't have to scroll through two or more copies of the stuff they've already read. Okay? Thanks.

It took like a second to just scroll past those quotes for me so I don't understand your issue, unless taking a second to scroll is below you! Last time I checked, it's not against the rules of the board.

 

[Kertrats47]

By the way, point of order: If poster A writes a long thread and poster B only intends to respond to the last paragraph, it would be appreciated if poster B edits out everything except the part being responded to, so that readers don't have to scroll through a whole bunch of stuff they've already read in order to get to the actual content of a post. And if posters C, D, etc. are responding to that response, then they could at least edit out the parts that poster B didn't edit out, so that readers don't have to scroll through two or more copies of the stuff they've already read. Okay? Thanks.

It took like a second to just scroll past those quotes for me so I don't understand your issue, unless taking a second to scroll is below you! Last time I checked, it's not against the rules of the board.

Maybe not against the rules, but it's courteous! Why clutter up the thread unnecessarily?

 

[Turtletrekker]

Maybe not against the rules, but it's courteous! Why clutter up the thread unnecessarily?

Exactly! And I actually thought that there was such a rule until I just looked over them.

 

[Sjaddix]

Sure next time i will delete. This time I was just lazy.

 

[DimesDan]

Maybe not against the rules, but it's courteous! Why clutter up the thread unnecessarily?

Exactly! And I actually thought that there was such a rule until I just looked over them.

If you both say so. I don't feel that having to scroll a bit is wrong in the slightest. It's just the same as skipping vast walls of text and multiquotes, something the original complainer does on a daily basis.

 

[Sjaddix]

I agree u get used to it. Its fine since most sites limit the number of posts per page without reasonable limits it would be annoying.

 

[JD]

Sorry about the mass quotes. For some reason I keep thinking it'll only quote the text of the post I hit quote for, I'll try to watch that from now on.

 

[DimesDan]

Sorry about the mass quotes. For some reason I keep thinking it'll only quote the text of the post I hit quote for, I'll try to watch that from now on.

Seriously, don't worry about it, as I said, it's not against the rules and so what if we need to scroll for an extra second or two. The original complainer (Christopher) often writes walls of text and multiple multiquotes which amounts to the same thing as you did if someone doesn't plan on reading it and I bet he wouldn't like being told to do that.

 

[Steve Roby]

Seriously, don't worry about this one, but keep in mind that people may put you on their ignore lists if you post endless quotes of other posts and add only a couple of words of your own.

There are two things that matter in writing on a discussion board: 1. Have a point. 2. Make it. Everything else gets in the way.

 

[JD]

It annoys me too, I just didn't notice that I had done it.

 

[Stoek]

^As I pointed out in the other thread, it's not five years, it's four. Rough Beasts of Empire begins four years and one month after The Soul Key ends. (Also, "Reservoir Ferengi" in Seven Deadly Sins fills in the first year of the gap as far as certain Ferengi characters such as Brunt and Gaila are concerned.)

I think the "five-year gap" myth comes from the fact that Zero Sum Game, which begins more than a year after RBoE does, was published before RBoE. So the first new DS9 novel published since TSK took place 5 years and change after it, but then another one came along soon thereafter and filled in that last year or so.

So to sum up what you are saying is...

There Are... FOUR YEARS!!! ?

(Sorry I had a very bad day and being silly helps me to de-stress)

 

[BrotherBenny]

GUARDS!!!