For anyone who's read "Captain's Glory"...

[Emperor-Tiberius]

I love the first four of his novels, though. Yes, "The Return" is the "wild" one of the bunch, as I do think the other ones are better written... But hey, "The Return" was only following one of the most vile, most God-awful movies ever (and I'm not kidding). Bringing him was necessary, IMO.

Plus, I like to view GEN, "The Return" and FC as an unofficial trilogy: The Enterprise-D and Kirk die, Kirk comes back because of the Borg's insedious alliance with a Romulan fraction to take down the Federation, and when the Federation basically closes down one of its home planets, the Borg fight back by direct assault and then time-travel. And what links all those stories is the TNG crew.

 

[WarsTrek1993]

The Return is a decent book, of course, despite the ridiculous scenes. And the fact that it was basically a big action scene from start to finish (seemed like John Woo hijacked it!)

I do agree that GEN, Return, and FC seem like a trilogy, with all of the foreshadowing to the last movie written in Return.

EDIT: Forgot to mention another element that sounded rather iffy: A Defiant-Class more powerful than three Galaxy-Class ships...

 

[F. King Daniel]

It's been ages since I read it, but wasn't the Monitor pimped with Borg technology? That worked quite well for Nero...

 

[Christopher]

EDIT: Forgot to mention another element that sounded rather iffy: A Defiant-Class more powerful than three Galaxy-Class ships...

That makes perfect sense. The whole reason the Defiant was created was to be the ultimate Starfleet battleship. The Galaxy class was designed as a deep-space exploration and research platform first and foremost. Like most Starfleet vessels, it's a multipurpose craft with defense being only one of its functions. That was adequate for taking on normal threats, but once the Borg were encountered in "Q Who," it was clear that the defenses of a Galaxy-class ship were inadequate to stand against them. So the Defiant was created specifically to be a better Borg-fighter, to be more effective in combat than a Galaxy-class ship would be. It's smaller, yes, but that's so that it doesn't have to expend its power on luxurious crew facilities and science labs and holodecks and the like, and can instead concentrate all of its power on weapons and defense. It's considerably overpowered for its size and has state-of-the-art weapons and armor beyond what a Galaxy-class ship possesses.

 

[WarsTrek1993]

After reading your post, Christopher, you do make some excellent points.
Maybe I need to see more DS9 Defiant Action...

 

[Owain Taggart]

I do agree that GEN, Return, and FC seem like a trilogy, with all of the foreshadowing to the last movie written in Return.

Yeah, true, they do. In fact, the whole original Shatnerverse trilogy was more or less a trilogy centered around Generations, before and after, even though Ashes of Eden is more or less stand-alone. I did very much prefer the book proceeding The Return though to the Return itself. As for a trilogy as a whole, I think the next trilogy dealing with Spock and his father was a better trilogy.

 

[WarsTrek1993]

You mean "Avenger"? I'd have to agree with that too. I just wish there was more leading up to "Insurrection" with that one.

EDIT: And another thing I noticed: There was some foreshadowing to Nemesis and Destiny in "Return". (Data wondering who would cry for him if he died, preparations for a Borg Invasion, hints of a relationship between Picard and Beverly.
As for the topic of this thread, if the authors could predict events like THAT, couldn't they have stuck with continuity altogether?

 

[Owain Taggart]

Yeah, Avenger, that's the one. I couldn't remember if that was part of the second trilogy or not since it's been so long since I've read them. I think though that they had deviated far enough already to the point that they just decided to do their own storyline and forget the movies, though I think one of the more recent ones also occurs after Nemesis, so I don't know. The books are weird like that, hence their own universe. They were good stories though, but I hated what he did to Teilani at the end.

 

[F. King Daniel]

You mean "Avenger"? I'd have to agree with that too. I just wish there was more leading up to "Insurrection" with that one.

EDIT: And another thing I noticed: There was some foreshadowing to Nemesis and Destiny in "Return". (Data wondering who would cry for him if he died, preparations for a Borg Invasion, hints of a relationship between Picard and Beverly.
As for the topic of this thread, if the authors could predict events like THAT, couldn't they have stuck with continuity altogether?

They foreshadow a LOT in those books. It was surreal, reading the Totality trilogy right aftet seeing the rebooted Trek film, and while the older Kirk is making jibes about "bumped up cadets", there are flashbacks to a younger Kirk space-jumping...

 

[Therin of Andor]

They were good stories though, but I hated what he did to Teilani at the end.

You realise that Shatner had no intention of doing that until his own wife drowned, and he decided the loss of a major character in the novel might be cathartic.

 

[bbailey861]

^No, I did not know that. Makes sense, now.

 

[Owain Taggart]

They were good stories though, but I hated what he did to Teilani at the end.

You realise that Shatner had no intention of doing that until his own wife drowned, and he decided the loss of a major character in the novel might be cathartic.

Yep, I realize that. I saw the parallels. In a way, knowing that it made it even more heartbreaking. I've always found Teilani to be one of the high points of the novels.