New rumor about Star Trek 2 villian

[xman]

I would prefer that they don't redo Khan. It just isn't necessary.

Absolutely unnecessary, but what we do need, and I mean NEED, is a quick scene where Kirk walks in on Spock who is reviewing an historical database and spock says, "Look at this. this Khan fellow almost took over the whole earth". Kirk, "Glad we're not dealing with him", and back on to the plot line. If they miss that vignette they're morons.

 

[Gojira]

Yea, but if Trek's become dumbed down for the mainstream, joe sixpack, I don't want any bit of it.

I feel with some actual work, one could make a Trek story that appeals to BOTH Joe Sixpack and longtime Trek fans. Star Wars and Super Heros are big, but I don't find anything appealing with them. I'm more into anime and Dr. Who than those, and it's impossible to find 'em here in America, anymore.....oh, how I miss the 1990's, when one could find both of those in abundance.

I mean Dancing with the Stars and NASCAR's big, don't mean I'm gonna switch off my brain off and sit next to Joe Sixpack and Plain Jane and watch it, just cause it's cool....er, "K3W7"

What is your definition of Joe Sixpack?

 

[Devon]

Like that's gonna stop Jar Jar, he did a lot of continuity cluster f*cks already. Plus he's going to come up with some LAME reason of the Kelvin incident changing EVERYTHING.

Good.

But all I can say is, *`-assumes sarcastic voice- "Oh yay....another villain to deal with. Maybe if I'm really lucky, Jar Jar will team up with another assho, err, big name director, like Michael Bay, and make so-called Trek films for the next decade! Next Film: Star Trek 3: Kirk becomes a bigger jerk, Scotty puts flames and hydrolics on the Enterprise's engines, Emo Spock cornholes Uhura in the brewery, and Sulu actually does something useful."

How old are you? Seriously?

I agree with that line Picard brought up in Insurrection, "Remember when we used to be explorers?"

Yes.. because we all want to see the Star Trek version of "Planet Earth." Perhaps they should take "Data's Day" to the big screen too if they are feeling a little "risky."

Once something like THAT happens, I might actually say something nice about Jar Jar...

I can assure you that "Jar Jar" doesn't care what you think of him.

 

[Dick_Valentine]

Sometimes that Onion clip needs to be posted and reposted, so that some people can hear how ridiculous they sound.

Indeed.

Who needs entertainment when we can have 20 minute long glory shots of the Enterprise approaching a gas cloud and pass that off as somehow intellegent?

Or, you know, we could goof off and go frolic with a whale, that'll work.

The movie has been out for 2 frickin' years now, and the sequel is obviously going to be made along the same lines so you'd think that was more than enough time for people to realise it wasn't for them and check out of the whole deal lest they blow a blood vessel.

But no, somehow their childhood keeps on getting raped by JJ and it gets worse and worse even though there has only been one film by this point.

(I also like NASCAR too, but as a Brit I guess I don't quite "get it!" ( It also helps we get little of the pre/post race ceremonies so little of the "culture" and the drivers wear their emotions on their sleeves, which is a refreshing change compared to our po-faced, Robotic F1 drivers!....oh I just keep looking for culture in all the "uncultured" things! ) )

Can't wait for any detail I can get about the second movie.
I think the tribbles could work well if they're re-established as some kind of furry land pirhanas instead of just pointless grain eaters that breed...

Some form of Trek is still in production people, let us all be thankful for that!

 

[Cadet49]

Source: TrekWeb

I do not know if this site is reliable, but ThinkMcflyThink.com mentioned the Klingons as the next villains.


"From what we've heard the Klingons play ProMinent role in Star Trek 2. The angle, According to our sources, plays up to Them up the Nomadic sect of warrior aliens Causing trouble for the Federation - an intergalactic think Taliban With Their home-planet overrun by Tribbles. Yes, Those Tribbles, here in the newly rebooted continuity viewed the "furry carnivorous creatures."

I think that is an awesome idea, even if it just is a rumour! It would be very cool to see the tribbles in this new universe as deadly beasts! I also like the idea of the Klingon nomadic raiding parties - it's a new universe, so I hope the writers' play around with it!

 

[shapeshifter]

IMO, the best reason for NOT doing Khan, despite his popularity is, we KNOW a sleeper ship carrying and bunch of genetic misfits with delusions of grandeur DID NOT launch from Earth in the 1990's!

 

[The Castellan]

Some form of Trek is still in production people, let us all be thankful for that!

But it's like if one hates roast beef, and all at dinner is roast beef, not exactly to be thrilled about. I mean let's say Star Wars fans want a newer,better story, and Lucas says he's gonna make a TV series or a new film. Good? Star Wars fans tune in to see the new series, or wait camp for a month to get first tickets to the theater, and it's "Star Wars: Episode 7, The Life Story of Jar Jar Binks"

So, getting a new Trek story might not exactly equal to a good thing.

 

[The Castellan]

IMO, the best reason for NOT doing Khan, despite his popularity is, we KNOW a sleeper ship carrying and bunch of genetic misfits with delusions of grandeur DID NOT launch from Earth in the 1990's!

Neither had the 3rd World War, but it's part of Trek.

 

[shapeshifter]

IMO, the best reason for NOT doing Khan, despite his popularity is, we KNOW a sleeper ship carrying and bunch of genetic misfits with delusions of grandeur DID NOT launch from Earth in the 1990's!

Neither had the 3rd World War, but it's part of Trek.

So many, to put it politely, outdated things associated with the Original time-line. To bring up the Eugenic and Third World War in the Nu-verse at all would be a mistake IMO.

You may ask; What if they claim it is a event in our future, like was originally done? No. Even if they used stem cells as part of their creation? No thanks. Go new or go home.

 

[ALF]

IMO, the best reason for NOT doing Khan, despite his popularity is, we KNOW a sleeper ship carrying and bunch of genetic misfits with delusions of grandeur DID NOT launch from Earth in the 1990's!

Neither had the 3rd World War, but it's part of Trek.

Sorry but I disagree with both points.

Do people watch Trek to see a literal interpretation of real life events? Or for some much needed sci-fi escapism that, at best, sets itself up for real life conversation and debate?

I couldn't give a hoot whether or not real life/actual events factored into the equation. And that's one of the few things about Star Wars that has the advantage over Star Trek (not mired in familiar history).

Prime time line. Nu-verse. Who gives a sweet salamander-fuck salad?

Enjoyable story > continuity. Always.

The whole point of a reboot was to avoid needing to do things like deal with Khan. The best way for Trek to keep chugging ahead is to keep it fresh. Though I worry that 4 year bouts in between films may make things a bit stale.

The best thing Trek could do at this point would be to find a villain that could somehow operate outside of the need for revenge. That's a horse who has been beaten to death too many times in Trek.

Nero? - Revenge.
Shinzon - Revenge.
Ru'afa - Revenge.
Picard (arguably for Borg) - Revenge.

Enough with the goddamn revenge already. I don't find that sort of villain interesting. It's a one dimensional quality, you know.

I kind of like Sybok, Soran, these obsessed characters totally engrossed in their own insanity.

 

[Gojira]

IMO, the best reason for NOT doing Khan, despite his popularity is, we KNOW a sleeper ship carrying and bunch of genetic misfits with delusions of grandeur DID NOT launch from Earth in the 1990's!

Neither had the 3rd World War, but it's part of Trek.

Sorry but I disagree with both points.

Do people watch Trek to see a literal interpretation of real life events? Or for some much needed sci-fi escapism that, at best, sets itself up for real life conversation and debate?

I couldn't give a hoot whether or not real life/actual events factored into the equation. And that's one of the few things about Star Wars that has the advantage over Star Trek (not mired in familiar history).

Prime time line. Nu-verse. Who gives a sweet salamander-fuck salad?

Enjoyable story > continuity. Always.

The whole point of a reboot was to avoid needing to do things like deal with Khan. The best way for Trek to keep chugging ahead is to keep it fresh. Though I worry that 4 year bouts in between films may make things a bit stale.

The best thing Trek could do at this point would be to find a villain that could somehow operate outside of the need for revenge. That's a horse who has been beaten to death too many times in Trek.

Nero? - Revenge.
Shinzon - Revenge.
Ru'afa - Revenge.
Picard (arguably for Borg) - Revenge.

Enough with the goddamn revenge already. I don't find that sort of villain interesting. It's a one dimensional quality, you know.

I kind of like Sybok, Soran, these obsessed characters totally engrossed in their own insanity.

Very well said!!

 

[Gojira]

Some form of Trek is still in production people, let us all be thankful for that!

But it's like if one hates roast beef, and all at dinner is roast beef, not exactly to be thrilled about. I mean let's say Star Wars fans want a newer,better story, and Lucas says he's gonna make a TV series or a new film. Good? Star Wars fans tune in to see the new series, or wait camp for a month to get first tickets to the theater, and it's "Star Wars: Episode 7, The Life Story of Jar Jar Binks"

So, getting a new Trek story might not exactly equal to a good thing.

Sounds like your mind is already closed to the next movie.

 

[The Castellan]

Some form of Trek is still in production people, let us all be thankful for that!

But it's like if one hates roast beef, and all at dinner is roast beef, not exactly to be thrilled about. I mean let's say Star Wars fans want a newer,better story, and Lucas says he's gonna make a TV series or a new film. Good? Star Wars fans tune in to see the new series, or wait camp for a month to get first tickets to the theater, and it's "Star Wars: Episode 7, The Life Story of Jar Jar Binks"

So, getting a new Trek story might not exactly equal to a good thing.

Sounds like your mind is already closed to the next movie.

If it makes you feel better, I dealt with quite a bit of closed mindedness in another section of the forum this evening.

And if the next film is more of what the last one was like, with Emo Spock, Mr. "Cupcake", Scotty's goblin sidekick, poorly disguised breweries, constant battles and explosions, and Kirk being a bad boy, you're darn right I'm not gonna look forward to it. I can go get a ticket to some Brice Willis or Vin Diesel film for that sort of stuff.