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My Best Friends Ex-husband

There's no way I'd break her trust like that. It's a none issue for me. Their marriage failed for other reasons, not because of that. Not to mention, she was my friend first, and what we shared plays no part in my present relationship with him.

Yes, I believe in honesty, and I have been open and honest with him with regards to myself. Her history, and what I know about it, has nothing whatsoever to do with our relationship.
 
Perhaps the answer to this particular issue is simply let him know that. It would be a good part of your "Ground rules" discussion. Then, if he ever hears it from someone else he won't feel betrayed by you. Or at least he won't when you remind him of your initial conversation about boundaries in this unusual situation.
 
I don't think these rules should be retro-active.

Also, it's a matter of degree. It's one thing not to tell him his ex said he's too boring in bed. It's another to let him believe his marriage fell apart for different reasons than it did. That can have a huge impact on your relationship. He may work very hard to not make the same mistakes with you that he didn't actually make the first time.

ETA: Also I command you to put your avatar back. It's like you're a whole different person.

Hmmm, you might have a point there. I guess it would depend on if he has a big complex over it. In the interest of simplicity I would jack in the friendship to be honest and put my partner first.

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I have to say, I've got to agree with Guartho on this one. I was in a long term relationship with a young woman a while ago, and toward the end of our relationship and it ended very suddenly. I never got any real answers as to why, and very soon she just completely excised herself from my life completely and mostly from our social circle.

I spent a lot of time getting over it, analyzing what I'd done, what mistakes I might have made, and what went wrong that couldn't be fixed.

About three years after all of this, I learned she'd gotten back together with her previous ex, and had specifically instructed all our friends to keep this fact from me. So, naturally, when I found out about this, it all made perfect sense to me, that she had been hurt by this other guy and when he came crawling back she took the chance to be with him again and left me. Granted, there were other issues we had as a couple, but the way she handled her end of it -- essentially cheating on me-- left me hurt all over again, frustrated that I'd spent so much time trying to figure out what I had done wrong, and pretty damn angry that she'd put our friends in a position to lie to me.

In short, if I were HTH's new boyfriend, I'd definitely want to know why the ex-wife left, and ASAP. It may make things ugly for a while, but in the long run it will establish that there's genuine trust in the relationship, and will save him the time and trouble of agonizing over any mistakes he thinks he may have made.
 
There's no way I'd break her trust like that. It's a none issue for me. Their marriage failed for other reasons, not because of that. Not to mention, she was my friend first, and what we shared plays no part in my present relationship with him.

Yes, I believe in honesty, and I have been open and honest with him with regards to myself. Her history, and what I know about it, has nothing whatsoever to do with our relationship.

True. But what would his reaction be if he finds out you've known this little tidbit all along?
 
If you are all best friends, perhaps a swing and swap orgy on tape is the best idea. I'd definitely watch on PPV.
 
My wife knows every secret I'm told. And she's welcome to read any PM or e-mails I get. I just don't get the need for a couple to keep info-- especially important info-- from one and other.

I don't think it's necessary to share every last detail of your innermost thoughts with your partner. Sometimes things can hurt people unintentionally and it can be hard to patch things over. That doesn't mean I weigh every statement, but unless I think something is interesting or important I don't bother mentioning it.

In short, if I were HTH's new boyfriend, I'd definitely want to know why the ex-wife left, and ASAP. It may make things ugly for a while, but in the long run it will establish that there's genuine trust in the relationship, and will save him the time and trouble of agonizing over any mistakes he thinks he may have made.

Your situation sounds like it was pretty crap and I can see where you're coming from, but in this case unless he's actually asking for this information it's not like she's keeping a secret from him. Now if he asked if her friend told her why she broke it off and she lied about it, that would be wrong. Given the condition of the marriage when they split I don't see this actually coming up to be honest.
 
Im the only person that knows, and at that, she has always been quite reticent with the details leading up to the end. I learned most of it by reading between the lines over the last couple years. Little tidbits here and there have led me to piece most of it together.

A few months prior to her leaving she had brought up leaving him. She had told me that she, nor he, had been happy for years. They had already split up once a few years prior to the final split. Not long, maybe a few weeks, at his request. And now she was ready to move on.

There is no bad blood between them, and the only thing telling him, at this point, will do is to create problems that were never there.

I can certainly see where telling him might be the right thing to do, but given all the circumstances surrounding this, i dont see it as the best thing.
 
Then all of the speculation is a tempest in a teacup; no real need to even lay ground rules unless it becomes a problem.

Maybe breaking the news to your friend won't be a big deal; she might have thought things through on her own.
 
Im the only person that knows,
The other guy knows

and at that, she has always been quite reticent with the details leading up to the end. I learned most of it by reading between the lines over the last couple years. Little tidbits here and there have led me to piece most of it together.
Oh well then, we don't really have a problem. (we.. like I'm involved lol) You have a pretty good guess, but you don't really know anything. If you don't really know anything then there's nothing to keep from him.
 
My wife knows every secret I'm told. And she's welcome to read any PM or e-mails I get. I just don't get the need for a couple to keep info-- especially important info-- from one and other.

I don't think it's necessary to share every last detail of your innermost thoughts with your partner. Sometimes things can hurt people unintentionally and it can be hard to patch things over. That doesn't mean I weigh every statement, but unless I think something is interesting or important I don't bother mentioning it.
Most of the time (99% of the time) my wife pretty much waves it off so long as the law or money doesn't get involved. But she has stated in the past that she likes knowing that she has at least the option even if she knows that she doesn't need to check up me.

Her's is the only trust I wouldn't violate. Anyone else: you're fair fucking game-- and my friends and family know that I don't keep secrets from her, the wife...yeah, good luck with prying anything out of me if she tells me in confidence, it goes no further.
 
HighteeHeller, I mostly just want to wish you the best. I hope it works out really nicely. As for your friend, it's understandable so have patience. She left him and now that you're interested in him, it's probably got her wonder if she made the right choice. Especially because it's working out so well between you and him.

Mr Awe
 
Thanks! I told my ex today. He took it VERY well. Said, Whatever, so long as he isnt a dick to the kids. I assured him that he treated the kids very well, and thanks for being understanding.

I tried to get together with my friend tonight, but she has plans. Hoping to tell her by the weekend.
 
You've received a lot of very good and mature advice on how to deal with this very potentially sticky situation, and clearly you've given this a great amount of thought...much more so than most people nowadays in their dealings with others. You are to be commended for your thoughtfulness.

It sounds like your biggest concern, other than being stuck between them venting back and forth about the other one, is what would occur in your relationship with her ex/your boyfriend if he were to realize that you knew all along that she had saddled up another horse and was riding him about while her then-husband was still tethered up in the barn, so to speak. Is that a fair assessment?

I mean, you didn't seem concerned how the kids would take the news that you were all moving in together, but then again the kids have probably been friends for years and they were probably all for it. You were a little concerned how YOUR ex would take it, but it sounds like he took it like a champ, kudos to him. Having been the child of multiple divorces, I can tell you from personal experience that when the grown-ups act maturely and don't degenerate the situation into backbiting and finger-pointing, things work out for the best for all parties involved. And given that HIS ex and YOUR ex are still deeply involved in the picture and everyone has children together, well, clearly it's in everyone's best interests to handle this with the utmost maturity, even if you didn't want to keep the best friendship with her or a civil relationship with your ex.

Your best friend is simultaneously a little sad to see you so happy with HER ex, wishing a little bit that she hadn't bailed on the marriage (yeah, she's probably more happy FOR you being happy with him, but a little sad nonetheless, that's just human nature), as well as apprehensive that at some point you're gonna spill the beans on the true nature of the demise of her marriage. And there's probably a part of her that wonders how long you've had designs on her ex-husband, whether or not those predated the end of her marriage, etc. There's a lot of conflicting emotions going through her right now, and as I type this I can't recollect if you've mentioned whether or not she's still married, or if that current or former marriage is/was happy, what-have-you. Even if she's blissfully happy, she might still be a tad ambivalent that you're happily dating her ex-husband, a guy you've known for years. Again, that's just human nature.

You should tell her that you want her to be happy, but you also want YOU to be happy, and you're very happy with her ex and you'd still like to be able to be best friends with her. That being said, you'd like her to come clean with her ex for the following reasons...(1) if he ever finds about the circumstances under which she ended the marriage, the best friend will IMMEDIATELY assume that you told him all of the juicy details and no matter how much you protest your innocence you'll never convince her of it, (2) he'll be so pissed that you kept this from him that he might bail on your relationship and upend your life, (3) the marriage had been over for some time, both in legality as well as emotionally and everyone's a grown-up and the truth should at last be told, and (4) as other posters have mentioned, the poor guy might be driving himself a little crazy NOT trying to do some of the same things that he erroneously believed doomed his first marriage, and you'll go a little crazy yourself knowing that he's doing things and acting in a manner to prevent the same thing from happening again when you have the means to prevent that, and the blame for that can be laid at the feet of your best friend. Additionally, you should probably be present when this conversation between exes takes place, as she might downplay her role in the demise of their marriage, as well as eliminate the necessity of him asking you what elements of her story coincided with what she told you. Sometimes "truth" is subjective, and while you would want her to be completely forthcoming in that revelation, she might choose to keep certain truths to herself that he would need to know...your presence for that conversation would be more persuasive in turning subjective truth into factual truth.

As to his reaction...most guys might have pretty strong emotions about it at first (he'll be pissed), but after he thinks about it for awhile he'll probably mellow out. He's going to initially wonder what you knew and when you knew it, he'll be irked that it would appear you let him flounder about in a bad marriage and a messy divorce (later on, he'll realize that you were stuck between a rock and a hard place in terms of your best friendship with her vis-a-vis your friendship with him)...but if he can be made to see that you didn't believe it was your place to tell him then (it was his ex-wife's responsibility) but now that you two are building a future together he should know now so he can move forward and not beat himself up about the previous marriage or spend too much time on autocorrecting what wasn't really broken, then he'll see you as someone he can rely upon to trust and keep secrets. Additionally, once this particular cat is out of the bag, after some introspection he'll probably feel a little better knowing it was HER and not HIM who had the marital issues (again, probably an oversimplification on my part, not knowing what the particular issues were...maybe it WAS him, how he acted or did not act that drove her to another guy, I don't know), but lI believe one of the above posters said that he did feel better afterward once everything was out in the open that it wasn't him with the problems, it was her.

At the end of the day, it's all upon your best friend. It was her responsibility to tell him the truth then, it's her responsibility to tell him now (OR allow YOU to tell him the truth now, so it's out of the bag and EVERYONE can move forward, and if she truly wants to be your friend then she needs to rid herself of any lingering resentment on her part and let you be happy with him. All you're doing is holding up a mirror...if she doesn't like what's reflected, then it's up to her to change it.

This is not to say that all four of the grown-ups are going to live happily ever after...but clearing this air with them makes it a damn sight more likely that friendships will be salvaged.

You've gotten a lot of good advice and food for thought. I think I can speak for everyone here when I say that we wish you the best with this situation, and that your heart is in the right place. We can only wish that all people were so considerate. :)

Keep us posted.
 
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