The 37's

[YellowSubmarine]

That's true, however many people from the crew should feel like their journey is pointless, and the Maquis are more likely to speak up because at least some of them are probably still bitter with Janeway after her decision to strangle them and don't want to support her further endeavours.

 

[Sandoval]

Kes covers her ears with her hair, thus appearing human and not triggering heart-attacks in the people being unfrozen when they see an alien.

Do you really need this explained?

Especially since Janeway explains it the exact same way in the episode as you did.

Janeway rocks. As do I.

 

[Guy Gardener]

That's true, however many people from the crew should feel like their journey is pointless, and the Maquis are more likely to speak up because at least some of them are probably still bitter with Janeway after her decision to strangle them and don't want to support her further endeavours.

The Maquis work on Klingon rules sort of that if you beat up the guy in charge, you become the new guy in charge. Does that mean that any of them tried to beat up Kathryn for her seat in the middle of the bridge?

Or would a political shuffle within the Maquis see Chuckles all demoted, and some new bugger qualify for the XO position? I doubt that janeway would play along with that without th maquis going on strike. No slave labour without representation?

 

[Sandoval]

Does that mean that any of them tried to beat up Kathryn for her seat in the middle of the bridge?

Countless times. And she beat the shit out of every one of them.

 

[Sean Aaron]

Given the choice to live in luxury on Voyager or live hand to mouth while roughing it on an unknown planet, I'd think they'd choose comfort instead. Besides, the Maquis wanted to get back to the AQ to continue the fight. How could you stay in the DQ knowing you're family back in the AQ are still being brutalized by the Cardassians? Wouldn't you feel guilt?

Okay, I can see returning to continue the fight, but they were also pioneers and I cannot imagine they were all living a life of luxury before so getting a chance to start over in another colony that was more established and without an existing war might have appealed to someone amongst them.

I'm not saying there would be a mass exodus, I just don't find it credible that not one would choose to stay behind. They couldn't all have had family back home, surely?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Does that mean that any of them tried to beat up Kathryn for her seat in the middle of the bridge?

Countless times. And she beat the shit out of every one of them.

But after a while, you have to wonder if it's a ruse, because these blokes want to get beaten up by a girl since it's so hard to find any real action on Voyager.

 

[Sandoval]

But after a while, you have to wonder if it's a ruse, because these blokes want to get beaten up by a girl since it's so hard to find any real action on Voyager.

To each his own. Gotta get whatever action you can get when the holodecks are in use.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's Seskas MO to be the woman behind the man.

on Voyager however she was the woman behind the man behind the woman.

Chakotay was damn well in the way of that lady being the woman behind the woman and you would think that she would have to be trying to manoeuvre her position to be the woman behind Janeway.

But that would also mean tabling B'Elanna too.

...

I wonder if she had tried honesty, if Janeway would have allowed Seska to turn her quarters into a embassy? Just a few feet of caradassian soil on Voyager so she can sleep safe at night. Cardassia is such a massive ally of the federation at this point that the federation was killing Maquis by the metric ton to make them happy why wouldn't that happy alliance continue in the Delta Quadrant?

...

Seska's best chance to beat up Chakokatay would be after sex.

Punch him in his empty naked nads.

But then can leadership really change hands if the fight isn't fair?

...

Because whatever pecking order the Maquis thought that they had in place, what was really going on in Sska's mind was that she was a Cardassian Officer and they were her prisoners subject to Cardassian justice at the first available opportunity.

She was just giving their leashes some slack.

So really, that means that not only was she the leader of the Maquis, but that she qualified as Voyagers XO.

 

[The Dominion]

If Seska wouldn't have been so hasty to choose the Kazon as her buddies, she could have hijacked the ship and gotten home without cheap time travel nonsense. She could also keep Chakotay in his position as bridge boy, but she would also have a functioning crew of hired mercenaries like on Living Witness, from all the species she forged alliances with.

Given time, the crewmembers that protested at first would probably come to realize what a blessing it is, having a competent captain who knows what she wants and how to get it, compared to the schizoid manic she replaced.

 

[exodus]

Given the choice to live in luxury on Voyager or live hand to mouth while roughing it on an unknown planet, I'd think they'd choose comfort instead. Besides, the Maquis wanted to get back to the AQ to continue the fight. How could you stay in the DQ knowing you're family back in the AQ are still being brutalized by the Cardassians? Wouldn't you feel guilt?

Okay, I can see returning to continue the fight, but they were also pioneers and I cannot imagine they were all living a life of luxury before so getting a chance to start over in another colony that was more established and without an existing war might have appealed to someone amongst them.

I'm not saying there would be a mass exodus, I just don't find it credible that not one would choose to stay behind. They couldn't all have had family back home, surely?

Keep in mind, from "Caretaker" to "The 37's" is only 6 months.
It was also still to soon to give up hope of getting home.
If Janeway had asked them again close to a year and a half later, then I'd agree completely with you but I don't see anybody giving up hope in that short a time.

 

[exodus]

Kes covers her ears with her hair, thus appearing human and not triggering heart-attacks in the people being unfrozen when they see an alien.

Do you really need this explained?

Especially since Janeway explains it the exact same way in the episode as you did.

Janeway rocks. As do I.

Sandoval for President!

Has a nice ring to it, don't you think?

 

[Lord Manitou]

Suppose one should hope the Borg don't discover the place. Guess that would be the end of everything. Amelia Earhardt would end like Anika Hansen.

 

[The Dominion]

Not necessarily, since if she was freed she wouldn't only have memories of the Borg.

 

[Sandoval]

Amelia Earhardt would end like Anika Hansen.

Made to wear an excruciatingly tight catsuit due to the perversions of a holographic man?

 

[Sean Aaron]

Keep in mind, from "Caretaker" to "The 37's" is only 6 months.
It was also still to soon to give up hope of getting home.
If Janeway had asked them again close to a year and a half later, then I'd agree completely with you but I don't see anybody giving up hope in that short a time.

Well, that presumes the former Maquis were all happy as clams on Voyager as well. They weren't one big, happy crew that early in the series were they?

 

[Gojira]

Keep in mind, from "Caretaker" to "The 37's" is only 6 months.
It was also still to soon to give up hope of getting home.
If Janeway had asked them again close to a year and a half later, then I'd agree completely with you but I don't see anybody giving up hope in that short a time.

Well, that presumes the former Maquis were all happy as clams on Voyager as well. They weren't one big, happy crew that early in the series were they?

I think they dropped a lot of the conflict between Federation crew and Maquis crew pretty early on. Although maybe not realistic but I liked it. If the show had become nothing more than bickering and power struggles between Federation crew and Maquis crew I would have been pretty bored with the show.

 

[Sean Aaron]

I think they dropped a lot of the conflict between Federation crew and Maquis crew pretty early on. Although maybe not realistic but I liked it. If the show had become nothing more than bickering and power struggles between Federation crew and Maquis crew I would have been pretty bored with the show.

I agree, but I seem to recall they just dropped it without much in the way of resolving anything. Was it that early though?

 

[The Dominion]

Well, that presumes the former Maquis were all happy as clams on Voyager as well. They weren't one big, happy crew that early in the series were they?

They basically were.

I think they dropped a lot of the conflict between Federation crew and Maquis crew pretty early on. Although maybe not realistic but I liked it. If the show had become nothing more than bickering and power struggles between Federation crew and Maquis crew I would have been pretty bored with the show.

Of course I wouldn't even want it to go on forever, but it sure could have been played out a hell of a lot more than it was. It's not like they were doing anything else important in the first three seasons.

 

[7thsealord]

I agree that the whole Star Fleet versus Maquis thing pretty much vanished without trace and too early on at that. More could have been done, story-wise.

On The Other Hand, since then I have seen certain other SF shows where the emphasis was on 'Dark & Edgy' - which (IMO) basically came down to the alleged 'Good Guys' continually bitching about personal issues, and spending more time scheming and backstabbing each other than dealing with the real problems.

Whatever Voyager's faults early on, I am very glad they didn't go the above route. Having to stop and ask stuff like "What are the Maquis gonna do? How is Janeway gonna handle the Maquis THIS time?" whenever a crisis or an important decision came up would have gotten old real fast.

 

[exodus]

I think they dropped a lot of the conflict between Federation crew and Maquis crew pretty early on. Although maybe not realistic but I liked it. If the show had become nothing more than bickering and power struggles between Federation crew and Maquis crew I would have been pretty bored with the show.

I agree, but I seem to recall they just dropped it without much in the way of resolving anything. Was it that early though?

What reasoning should there be?
They are already established on DS9 that many in Starfleet sympathized with the Maquis in that they were given a raw deal. The Maquis were always welcomed to return to the Federation. The only one that didn't offically resign Starfleet was Tom Paris, he went AWOL.
Besides, this is Starfleet?Federation. People who look for a peaceful solution to everything. How could there be ongoing conflict between the two if the writers/producers make that statement in nearly every damn ep. of every Trek series leading up to Voyager?
They're already telling us inner conflictis going to be minimal, we just don't bother to listen.