32X13 The Wedding of River Song (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS
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The Doctor's death at Lake Silencio was never fixed, but his fake death was. Time went all horrible because the fake death didn't occur as it should.
Probably won't be an explanation, at least until we get to Trenzalore where the whole Silence masterplan may be fully explained, but the way I see it is:
Silence Plan A: Blow up the TARDIS to stop the Doctor, but this had the side-effect of destroying reality. Failed as the Doctor rebooted the universe.
Silence Plan B: Kidnap and brainwash Melody Pond to take out the Doctor. At least for now, the Silence think this has worked.
They said that the lake's location had the ability to be turned into a fixed point because its a stillpoint so thats why the silence chose it. So his death wasn't originally a fixed point so the 11th fall at Trenzalore is still in history.
That was a fun romp!
Just like Doctor Who should be contray to what some grumpy folk may think. I look forward to the answer to this question and finding out the bigger bad hiding in the shadows because there is clearly one with this fall of 11 talk.
You people! You know what, in college I enjoyed my summer intersession course where we spent 4 weeks, 4 days a week, three hours a day analyzing "The Love Song Of J. Alfred Prufrock".
But sometimes I just like to sit down and read the poem
Also, thinking of changing my name to: ThankWho
ETA: Or the best of both worlds? DoctorQ
But sometimes I just like to sit down and read the poem
Also, thinking of changing my name to: ThankWho
ETA: Or the best of both worlds? DoctorQ
You people! You know what, in college I enjoyed my summer intersession course where we spent 4 weeks, 4 days a week, three hours a day analyzing "The Love Song Of J. Alfred Prufrock".
But sometimes I just like to sit down and read the poem
But do you ever enjoy going into a discussion thread where people write nothing but "I liked it"?
I gave it a 7/10. the plot did feel a bit of a retread of The Big Bang though don't you think? The whole 'time being compacted, and slowly spreading out to destroy the universe' thing.
Thankfully I didn't get my hopes up TOO high on this one. I honestly didn't think there was any way to get out of this that wouldn't be a bit of a letdown.
I still don't understand half of what happened there, so I feel a bit sorry for the average twelve year old viewer. I still can't quite figure out how one can defeat a "Fixed point in time" By essentially wearing a clever disquise. I guess more accurately it should be called a "Fixed point in history".
I do hope that Moffat has gotten it all out of his system and that'll be enough of the overblown season long arcs. The man reminds me a bit of a new DW fan writer, who decides one day that they're going to start out writing "The most epic Who story ever!" and just throws every reference they can think of into one jumbled mess. I really miss the Moffat of RTD's tenure, who wrote amazing little self contained stories with random bits of wonderfulness mixed in.
* So apparently the FX in this story are why they've had to scrimp and save all series? They were amazing, but I'm not sure if they were THAT necessary.
* And Rory came off as The Man once again. Even if he was a bit slow in the uptake re the dripping water in the pyramid. Hell I didn't even mind Amy this time around. So yeah, even though I thought the story was a bit dodgy, I loved how the characters were used.
* Annoyed that we still don't know what the hell The Silence and Madame K are all about. They at least came off well in this story. Powerful, and quite scary. I guess we'll be getting answers about them next season, which I'm looking forward to.
* Its probably a vain hope, but I do hope the whole thing about the Doctor having to keep a low profile carries on. I've really gotten tired of the whole "The Universe knows and fears the Doctor" thing. It'd be nice if the show went back to telling smaller scale adventures.
*Props for the Nick Courtney/Brig reference. What a sad moment.
*More thoughts as it all starts to sink in.
So I guess now its off to GB to view the carnage. Yeah, I know, but its like a car accident, I can't NOT look. And I'm a sucker for message boards and hearing what other fans think. Well, at least for a day or two until the cries of "Fire Moffat!" and "Worse. Story. Evah." start to get on my last nerves.
I guess in spite of it all though I'm just feeling sad that thats it until Christmas.
Thankfully I didn't get my hopes up TOO high on this one. I honestly didn't think there was any way to get out of this that wouldn't be a bit of a letdown.
I still don't understand half of what happened there, so I feel a bit sorry for the average twelve year old viewer. I still can't quite figure out how one can defeat a "Fixed point in time" By essentially wearing a clever disquise. I guess more accurately it should be called a "Fixed point in history".
I do hope that Moffat has gotten it all out of his system and that'll be enough of the overblown season long arcs. The man reminds me a bit of a new DW fan writer, who decides one day that they're going to start out writing "The most epic Who story ever!" and just throws every reference they can think of into one jumbled mess. I really miss the Moffat of RTD's tenure, who wrote amazing little self contained stories with random bits of wonderfulness mixed in.
* So apparently the FX in this story are why they've had to scrimp and save all series? They were amazing, but I'm not sure if they were THAT necessary.
* And Rory came off as The Man once again. Even if he was a bit slow in the uptake re the dripping water in the pyramid. Hell I didn't even mind Amy this time around. So yeah, even though I thought the story was a bit dodgy, I loved how the characters were used.
* Annoyed that we still don't know what the hell The Silence and Madame K are all about. They at least came off well in this story. Powerful, and quite scary. I guess we'll be getting answers about them next season, which I'm looking forward to.
* Its probably a vain hope, but I do hope the whole thing about the Doctor having to keep a low profile carries on. I've really gotten tired of the whole "The Universe knows and fears the Doctor" thing. It'd be nice if the show went back to telling smaller scale adventures.
*Props for the Nick Courtney/Brig reference. What a sad moment.
*More thoughts as it all starts to sink in.
So I guess now its off to GB to view the carnage. Yeah, I know, but its like a car accident, I can't NOT look. And I'm a sucker for message boards and hearing what other fans think. Well, at least for a day or two until the cries of "Fire Moffat!" and "Worse. Story. Evah." start to get on my last nerves.
I guess in spite of it all though I'm just feeling sad that thats it until Christmas.
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As the Doctor said in the episode, his death wasn't originally a fixed point in time, but the Silents did something to make it so (and it was easier to do at Lake Silencio since it was a "still point in time").
What I want to know is, how come shooting Captain Jack doesn't cause the universe to disintegrate? He keeps reviving because he's a fixed point in time... shouldn't the Doctor similarly just keel over here for no reason?
You people! You know what, in college I enjoyed my summer intersession course where we spent 4 weeks, 4 days a week, three hours a day analyzing "The Love Song Of J. Alfred Prufrock".
But sometimes I just like to sit down and read the poem
But do you ever enjoy going into a discussion thread where people write nothing but "I liked it"?
Good point.
I guess my main thing is, "Come on, it could be Voyager."
This was a clusterfuck of brilliance! Loved the episode...and as expected we got answers, but not all the answers. Moffat is building up to something as I thought...and I caught the symbol again on River's jacket. It was very prominent. I loved the ending as well, and the mention of Rose and Jack! Onwards and upwards to the Christmas special now!
Excellent finale. The bit with the Teselecta was a bit telegraphed but, come on, no one expected the Doctor to really die. And finally the show's title becomes a true plot point. That's twice this season Moffat and co. have rebuilt some of the show's foundations. I can't wait to see what it's in store for the 50th (methinks we probably got a preview of the regeneration story). Of course there will be people to hate it, but there has never been a season finale of any TV show in history that everyone liked. (Seriously, try to find one. Fall Out (The Prisoner)? - Patrick McGoohan had to leave the country. Endgame (Voyager)? It's as much responsible for killing the Trek TV franchise as Enterprise. The finale of nuBSG? Well, duh. The Twin Dilemma? Colin Baker may as well have quit right then and there.
But I for one thought it was fantastic with only a few minor quibbles - such as the fact we never found out what Kovarian was all about. But then there's always next season.
Oh, and we now know why Nicholas Courtney didn't receive a tribute card at the start of The Impossible Astronaut.
Alex
But I for one thought it was fantastic with only a few minor quibbles - such as the fact we never found out what Kovarian was all about. But then there's always next season.
Oh, and we now know why Nicholas Courtney didn't receive a tribute card at the start of The Impossible Astronaut.
Alex
This. The only real suspenseful part about the ending was whether the Doc that was killed was the ship, or a ganger.
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