Phantom Menace is the best Prequel.

[FPAlpha]

I think it wasn't that big of a deal.. i always understood the "rule of two" meaning that any group of Sith can only encompass two members.. master and apprentice. There can be many Sith groups around the galaxy but Sith won't gather in big groups like Jedi do but tend to work apart to further their goals.

 

[Trekker4747]

Two-by-two hands of blue.

 

[Whofan]

Clone Wars and other EUs of course have the dark jedi loophole, that one can use the dark side of the force but not become a Sith. That's sort of what Darth Vader and Palpatine were telling each other they'd do-Make Luke a dark Jedi, but each were actually looking to replace the other Sith (The ROTS novel also states that Dooku thought this was Palpatine's intention-Make Anakin a dark Jedi, not a sith apprentice). Dark Jedi are sort of Sith henchmen of course.

The Expanded Universe is of course, packed with Dark jedi- Ventress from Clone Wars being the most notable, although the character made her debut in the comics.

 

[Set Harth]

In the OT, we saw two Sith in charge of the Empire. Nobody ever said they were the only two.

The point is that there clearly didn't need to be any more than the two of them. I never heard anybody ever say that the OT story didn't make sense because it was inconceivable that the Empire could be run without more than two darksiders.

Hell, was the word "Sith" ever even used in the OT?

No, not unless you count the novelizations.

 

[RoJoHen]

In the OT, we saw two Sith in charge of the Empire. Nobody ever said they were the only two.

The point is that there clearly didn't need to be any more than the two of them. I never heard anybody ever say that the OT story didn't make sense because it was inconceivable that the Empire could be run without more than two darksiders.

That's also because we had never been exposed to a "good" Empire. For all we knew, the rulers of the Empire were always evil.

 

[Set Harth]

That's also because we had never been exposed to a "good" Empire. For all we knew, the rulers of the Empire were always evil.

How is that relevant to the concept that two Sith is not enough to rule the galaxy?

 

[Dream]

The problem with having more than two Sith in the Empire is that it makes the Rebellion vs Empire battle even more lopsided. Instead of Luke facing off against two darksiders you end up with him taking on an army with no realistic chance of winning.

Also too many Sith means there will be war between them. They don't work well together in the groups like the Jedi.

 

[RoJoHen]

I never said it wasn't enough to rule the galaxy, but the PT introduced this idea that just never needed to be introduced. We only see two Sith in the OT ruling the Empire, but there's nothing there to indicate that they're only Sith around. It would just make more sense if there were more of them. I mean, what happens when a Jedi turns evil? What are they if not Sith?

 

[sidious618]

I never said it wasn't enough to rule the galaxy, but the PT introduced this idea that just never needed to be introduced. We only see two Sith in the OT ruling the Empire, but there's nothing there to indicate that they're only Sith around. It would just make more sense if there were more of them. I mean, what happens when a Jedi turns evil? What are they if not Sith?

A Jedi who goes dark is usually a Dark Jedi. Sith is a seperate thing.

Yes, I am a loser.

 

[Trubinator]

Yeah, sure ... if shit tastes better than vomit, then absolutely! But otherwise, it's just plain annoying.

 

[RoJoHen]

I never said it wasn't enough to rule the galaxy, but the PT introduced this idea that just never needed to be introduced. We only see two Sith in the OT ruling the Empire, but there's nothing there to indicate that they're only Sith around. It would just make more sense if there were more of them. I mean, what happens when a Jedi turns evil? What are they if not Sith?

A Jedi who goes dark is usually a Dark Jedi. Sith is a seperate thing.

Yes, I am a loser.

Well, in that case, the movies did a terrible job explaining things.

What is the purpose of the Sith if the evil force users can't join their ranks?

 

[TremblingBluStar]

Ask the Emperor and Vader in the OT. Apparently, this alleged failing on the part of the PT is actually the result of OT silliness, and the PT simply being consistent with the OT. So sorry, OT. Better luck next time.

Fully. I don't recall any mention in the OT of the "Sith ruling the Galaxy". The whole "rule of two" is a PT invention.

Vader used a lightsaber in the OT, just a differently-colored one. It would only make sense for Sith to use lightsabers given their aggressive tendencies.

Yes, but the OT established that Vader was a Jedi before falling to the dark side. It was heavily implied that this is why he used such a "Jedi weapon".

Actually, he did, but it was cut from the film. It appears in the novel and the comic adaptation.

Hence, it did not happen.

That's the problem with impressions; they're subjective. The problem with the concept that Yoda was strong enough in the Force to not need to use a saber is demonstrated by AOTC and explicitly highlighted in its dialogue: with a sufficienly Force-strong opponent a stalemate can be reached.

When was this ever highlighted in the dialogue?

So by your logic, it's perfectly all right to write a character as a wise, peace loving passifist one moment and a blood thirsty war hero the next, because character development is entirely subjective.

In which case it is entirely pointless to argue this point. However, I'm certainly not the only one who found the Yoda/Dooku saber duel both inconsistent with his character and silly. Since so many people were bothered by this, doesn't that seem to indicate there just might be something to it?

 

[RoJoHen]

The Yoda/Dooku fight really didn't make much sense, but it was still pretty awesome the first time around.

 

[TremblingBluStar]

Well, in that case, the movies did a terrible job explaining things.

What is the purpose of the Sith if the evil force users can't join their ranks?

Exactly.

What prevents a Dark Jedi from gaining enough strength in the dark side to become a Sith? Does the Force automatically knock off one of the only two others?

The Yoda/Dooku fight really didn't make much sense, but it was still pretty awesome the first time around.

If by awesome you mean goofy and retarded, I agree.

It was easily my least favorite saber duel in any of the movies. Probably has something to do with the fact that watching something that is entirely a CGI creation battle a real person is hard to pull off.

 

[Dream]

What prevents a Dark Jedi from gaining enough strength in the dark side to become a Sith? Does the Force automatically knock off one of the only two others?

In the books Sith is a religion. You have to actually be taught by someone from that group in order to be one. Dark Jedi are just Force users that use the Force for personal gain. They don't have the knowledge to actually become part of the Sith order so they are always considered weaker.

 

[RoJoHen]

The Yoda/Dooku fight really didn't make much sense, but it was still pretty awesome the first time around.

If by awesome you mean goofy and retarded, I agree.

I kind of mean goofy and retarded.

I think at the time I was just so swept up in everything that I got excited when it happened. It's not every day you see Yoda kicking ass. As I said before, I loved every single PT movie that first time I saw them just because I was in an "OMG NEW STAR WARS!!!1" frame of mind. That has since worn off, and now I can't even stand to watch the damn things because I think they're so terrible.

 

[Broccoli]

What prevents a Dark Jedi from gaining enough strength in the dark side to become a Sith? Does the Force automatically knock off one of the only two others?

When the Force thinks you are ready, it comes down an knits a Sith merit badge on their uniform.

This was established in the OT, so the PT was just following its lead.

 

[RoJoHen]

What prevents a Dark Jedi from gaining enough strength in the dark side to become a Sith? Does the Force automatically knock off one of the only two others?

In the books Sith is a religion. You have to actually be taught by someone from that group in order to be one. Dark Jedi are just Force users that use the Force for personal gain. They don't have the knowledge to actually become part of the Sith order so they are always considered weaker.

And what exactly prevents people from following the Sith? Where did this religion come from, and who came up with the Rule of Two? You have to think that there are other Sith followers out there in the galaxy somewhere.

 

[Broccoli]

What prevents a Dark Jedi from gaining enough strength in the dark side to become a Sith? Does the Force automatically knock off one of the only two others?

In the books Sith is a religion. You have to actually be taught by someone from that group in order to be one. Dark Jedi are just Force users that use the Force for personal gain. They don't have the knowledge to actually become part of the Sith order so they are always considered weaker.

And what exactly prevents people from following the Sith? Where did this religion come from, and who came up with the Rule of Two? You have to think that there are other Sith followers out there in the galaxy somewhere.

STOP ASKING LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS TO VAGUE & ILL-DEFINED CONCEPTS!!

 

[RoJoHen]

I just want to understand!