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Phantom Menace is the best Prequel.

In the White House, Barack Obama is not fulfilling any specific African American agenda, he is not speaking for all African Americans, and there are many, many other African Americans who have nothing to do with the executive branch of the government.

So says you! ;)

I know that isn't a perfect analogy, but it is the only one I could think of off the top of my head. Chalk it up to my not paying attention in history class!

If Obama were one of the two only African Americans in the country, then it would be more fitting. Could we then say "the African Americans are in charge". No. Because they aren't. Because there are only two!

It's still, in my opinion, a logical fallacy to say any group as small as only two members rule anything. You could just as easily say "the cross stitchers rule the galaxy" because Palpatine likes making his own sweaters.
 
Bollocks. If we discount Trek XI from prequel status, then surely X-Men: First Class is the greatest ever prequel to a previously released film/film series.
No matter how hard I try, I cannot understand all the love for that movie. I thought First Class was terrible.
 
If you were to watch Star Wars: Episode I -- The Phantom Menace with no other knowledge of the existence of Star Wars -- having no knowledge whatsoever of the films that came before or after, the books, comics, videogames or cartoon tie-ins, or even of the cultural impact that Star Wars has had on the public over the last 34 years -- then... it wouldn't be a bad film.

It wouldn't be an outstanding masterpiece, but it'd be good enough.

... I'd rate Star Wars: Episode I -- The Phantom Menace a 2.5 out of 5.
Don't know about you, but to me, with all the wealth of cinema available via Netflix and such, a 50% rating is not "good enough". Not by a long shot. ;)
 
It wouldn't be an outstanding masterpiece, but it'd be good enough. I'd say about on par with George Lucas's other fantasy film, Willow.

Sounds about right. It'd also be as frequently discussed on the internet as Willow is (this is the first time I've seen a reference to that film this decade, for example). Phantom Menace is in the end a forgettable special effects reel film, which had the good fortune to have the Star Wars name - for living on in infamy is still living on.
 
Don't know about you, but to me, with all the wealth of cinema available via Netflix and such, a 50% rating is not "good enough". Not by a long shot. ;)
When you enjoy space opera, The Phantom Menace magically turns into one of the sub-genre's top ten movies.
 
It's still, in my opinion, a logical fallacy to say any group as small as only two members rule anything. You could just as easily say "the cross stitchers rule the galaxy" because Palpatine likes making his own sweaters.

So, Palpatine does not rule the GFFA in the OT?

No matter how hard I try, I cannot understand all the love for that movie. I thought First Class was terrible.

:shrug: Different people like different things. I thought it was stylish, engaging, comic-book fun, just like Captain America.
 
No matter how hard I try, I cannot understand all the love for that movie. I thought First Class was terrible.

:shrug: Different people like different things. I thought it was stylish, engaging, comic-book fun, just like Captain America.
I think I'm just disappointed because I thought the previews were amazing. I was so looking forward to it, and I ended up being incredibly let down.
 
There were many problems with First Class. One seeing Mystique as a little girl looked cheesy and stupid and i was embarrassed to watch it. Seeing the moth girl fling around at the end of the film looked embarrassing too. The seen where the sub hits the shoreline had the worse CGI, especially the palm trees, I've ever seen.

But the worst problem with that film is on par with making Greedo shoot first. They got Magneto's character arc wrong. His adversary should have been a human (or hum,ans) not an uber-powerful mutant. Making it a human Nazi would have really gave his character an awesome arc/ theme across all the films
 
Isn't saying Phantom Menace is the be*t like saying "getting kicked in the balls by a champion racehorse is better than getting stabbed in the balls by an angry girlfriend"?

Oh great, you won't stab by balls you'll just kick them through my throat, thanks. That's great.
 
Well, he is the only character with any kind of an arc, from doofus washout to brave soldier - and I say that as one who loathes him as much as anyone. In that sense only, he's kind of Han-ish.
 
(For example, if it were up to me I would've of course combined Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan into one character -- but I also would've combined Jar Jar and Anakin into one character, or at least given the role that Jar Jar has in the story entirely over to Anakin.
It's not a bad idea, but I think you don't need to make such dramatic changes to make things better. In order to give a more central role, you make him the harsh and impetuous one, and you make Qui-Gonn his quiet and conservative master. That way, Obi-Wan becomes the protagonist of the movie, every plot element falls into place, and it creates an interesting dynamic in the next two episodes, where Obi-Wan has to become the Master of someone who is even more frantic and free-spirited than he is.

As for Jar-Jar, once you realize that he is the Han Solo character of the movie, the outsider who guides our heroes through enemy lands and who's not entirely convinced by their mystical mumbo-jumbo, you understand that you don't have to change him that much to make the character work.
Or you make Anakin the conservative, within-the-rules type as compared with the more free-spirited Obi-Wan. That seems better to me, as Anakin is (even in the actual PT) sort of a fascist.

And the thing about Jar Jar is that in the movie, even though he has some aspects of the Han Solo role he is primarily C-3PO. Trying to make him too much of a Han leads back to the character redundancy thing again (as the Jedi are our action heroes). But eliminating his character and substituting Anakin could be a way of getting around that.
As for Qui-Gonn and Amadala, they really do have no personality in this film. We are told nothing about their back story, their opinions, or their likes/dislikes. That is how we get to know a character. Every line of dialogue given to these characters relates to the plot or what is happening on screen.

Compare this to what we find out about Han just in the first film. By the end we know that 1. He's a rogue who is mostly interested in money, but goes through a character arc in which he is willing to risk his own life to help Luke. 2. He's proud of his ship, which is almost a separate character entirely, and has an extensive history with it. 3. He doesn't believe in the Force, and doesn't really care what others think of him. He's confident, but not to the point where it becomes a detriment.

At the end of TPM, what do we know about Obi-Wan. 1. He's a Jedi in training. 2. He's loyal to Qui-Gonn, and gets mad when Qui-Gonn is killed. That's about it.
QUI-GON:
- He's unconventional, prefers to do his own thing.
- He's always two steps ahead of everyone in planning things.
- He's always calm and centred, possibly as a result of being a Jedi Master for so long.

OBI-WAN:
- He's conservative, conventional, a bit stuffy and overall very orthodox as a Jedi.
- Yeah, we actually don't know much else. Obi-Wan is criminally underused in TPM.

AMIDALA:
- It's notable that this character is INTENDED to be a bit of a mystery. We're not even supposed to notice the double-switching.
- When her homeworld is invaded and she's whisked away she feels everything's slipping out of her control. Qui-Gon's basically taken charge, and when she goes with him on Tatooine to try to keep a rein on him he blatantly ignores her:
Amidala: "Are you sure about this? Trusting our fate to a boy we hardly know? ...The Queen would not approve!"
Qui-Gon: "The Queen doesn't need to know."
Amidala: "Well... I don't approve!"
- Going back to Naboo and enlisting the Gungans' help is her idea, her plan, so it's basically her taking charge and asserting her authority again.
- I will say, though, that again the character is underused after the "Amidala is Padme!" reveal. I'd say this is due to the four-part action climax.
 
No matter how hard I try, I cannot understand all the love for that movie. I thought First Class was terrible.

:shrug: Different people like different things. I thought it was stylish, engaging, comic-book fun, just like Captain America.
I think I'm just disappointed because I thought the previews were amazing. I was so looking forward to it, and I ended up being incredibly let down.

You just described my Captain America: The First Avenger experience.

^ We also know that Obi-Wan is a racist.
"I see we've picked up another pathetic life-form..."

I don't think you know what the term racist means...

;)
 
Isn't saying Phantom Menace is the be*t like saying "getting kicked in the balls by a champion racehorse is better than getting stabbed in the balls by an angry girlfriend"?

Oh great, you won't stab by balls you'll just kick them through my throat, thanks. That's great.

The difference is that most people would avoid popping into a testicular masochism board and start spouting Star Wars analogies in a defiant display how much they hate genitalia mutilation. Then again some people are just naturally attracted to busting balls.
 
Isn't saying Phantom Menace is the be*t like saying "getting kicked in the balls by a champion racehorse is better than getting stabbed in the balls by an angry girlfriend"?

Depends. Is the racehorse's owner rich, and can I sue his pants off?
 
^ We also know that Obi-Wan is a racist.
"I see we've picked up another pathetic life-form..."

When I first heard that line, I remember thinking, "What an awkward way to phrase your feelings about taking Anakin aboard!". It's creepy enough that Obi-Wan is essentially saying "duck-billed aliens are inferior", but he's lumping a little HUMAN boy in there with our favorite dinosauroid comic relief. Isn't Obi-Wan human, as well?
 
When I first heard that line, I remember thinking, "What an awkward way to phrase your feelings about taking Anakin aboard!". It's creepy enough that Obi-Wan is essentially saying "duck-billed aliens are inferior", but he's lumping a little HUMAN boy in there with our favorite dinosauroid comic relief. Isn't Obi-Wan human, as well?

Maybe he just hates annoying little kids? I wouldn't blame him.
 
Or he was being cheeky given that their entire complement of travelers are people who're in one-way-or-another on the "run" from something or to something.
 
^ We also know that Obi-Wan is a racist.
"I see we've picked up another pathetic life-form..."

When I first heard that line, I remember thinking, "What an awkward way to phrase your feelings about taking Anakin aboard!". It's creepy enough that Obi-Wan is essentially saying "duck-billed aliens are inferior", but he's lumping a little HUMAN boy in there with our favorite dinosauroid comic relief. Isn't Obi-Wan human, as well?
He said 'pathetic lifeform', not 'pathetic species'.

Lifeform's an individual judgement. Obi-Wan considers Anakin and Jar-Jar kind of pathetic. What he thinks of Gungans and humans as races is another question, although it's true Obi-Wan generally doesn't seem keen on the residents of Otoh Gunga either.
 
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