SW blu-rays have changes to the films again

[Harvey]

2.0 stereo sound mix, rather than a 5.1 sound mix.

The original 1977 release of ANH was in 2.0 stereo. I don't see why people that want the original versions should complain about that.

I wasn't alive in 1977, but some internet surfing tells me that three sound mixes were created for the film when it was first exhibited: a 6-track mix for 70mm showings, and both a Dolby stereo and mono mix for 35mm showings. I don't know enough about the movie to know how each of those mixes sounded, though.

 

[Trekker4747]

What were the biggest controversies when TMP-R was made (at the time the only version available)? [...] Changing the "memory wall" of Enterprises so that the picture of never seen or heard of previous "Enterprise" (that was an early version of the ship before TOS) to the NX-01?

That one was not done...it was something that some fans wanted for continuity's sake, but they left in the ringship.

See, now you're just being pointlessly pedantic.

People don't have problems with changes like that being made to make the films viewable, and listen-to...able....(?!), with modern systems. Those are expected changes for releasing the original versions.

 

[Pingfah]

What were the biggest controversies when TMP-R was made (at the time the only version available)? [...] Changing the "memory wall" of Enterprises so that the picture of never seen or heard of previous "Enterprise" (that was an early version of the ship before TOS) to the NX-01?

That one was not done...it was something that some fans wanted for continuity's sake, but they left in the ringship.

See, now you're just being pointlessly pedantic.

People don't have problems with changes like that being made to make the films viewable, and listen-to...able....(?!), with modern systems. Those are expected changes for releasing the original versions.

How is it pedantic to point out that a change you said was made, in fact was not made?

 

[TheSeeker]

I read an interview with John Mellencamp once where he stated that he hated playing Jack and Diane but he did it because he knew his fans loved it. Just sayin'.

So, what you're saying is, you respect the choice of the artist so long as they agree with you?

What does Mellencamp's choice have to do with Lucas's choice, other than Lucas made one you don't like?

Should the artist have a choice or not?

Of course an artist should have a choice and I respect the fact that they can make that choice. Not once did I say I didn't respect him. My point is that Lucas could still give us his old works while still giving us his updated versions.

In case you haven't been paying attention, I have already mentioned in this very thread that I actually like quite a few of the additions and tweaks he has made. It doesn't mean I never want to see the original cut again in a format that is suitable for today's technology.

Yeah, I guess he has a choice. That doesn't mean people shouldn't blast him for the choice he made.

Absolutely. If one doesn't like his choice by all means complain. But when I see arguments like, "well other artists do the things they don't like to keep people happy so should Lucas..." That I think is a ridiculous argument. Lucas shouldn't be beholden to the choices other people have made.

That is absolutely not what I said. I never said Lucas should be giving us the original versions. You are totally misrepresenting what I said and I would appreciate it if you would stick to what I actually wrote instead of making assumptions.

I simply used Mellencamp as an example of an artist who understands that even though he has work he is less than happy with there are huge groups of people who love it and still want to hear it.

I was suggesting it would be a nice gesture for Lucas to acknowledge a rather large portion of his fan base who enjoy his original works by also giving them the original version of his works. That's it.

 

[Start Wreck]

The same transfer that was used for the laser discs two decades ago has been reused, rather than one utilizing better technology of the present to create a new one.

Yes, it's the original! Wasn't that the point?

That's not the original. That's an old transfer of the original.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

That's not the original. That's an old transfer of the original.

Yes, well of course it's not the master tape. But it's a version of the movie that looks exactly like the original looked thirty years ago.

 

[JarodRussell]

Didn't they have to make a high definition master copy of the OT when they remastered the entire thing for the special edition?

 

[David cgc]

That's not the original. That's an old transfer of the original.

Yes, well of course it's not the master tape. But it's a version of the movie that looks exactly like the original looked thirty years ago.

You couldn't see Star Wars on a movie screen when it came out? I hadn't realized it was a TV-movie.

Come on, don't you guys remember the trailer for the '97 re-release? "If you've only seen it this way, you haven't seen it at all"?

It's the exact same principle. Don't make me post pictures to demonstrate the difference, because I'll frickin' do it.

Didn't they have to make a high definition master copy of the OT when they remastered the entire thing for the special edition?

Nope. Back in 1997, the technology didn't exist to do a film-quality digital master of the entire movie, so they actually had to physically cut up the old film master and splice in the new scenes.

Even now, I've heard rumors that the digital masters made for the blu-ray are only 1080p, rather than movie-theater-sized, future-proofed up the wazoo 4k copies like sensible people with the biggest digital effects company on the planet would do.

 

[J.T.B.]

Yes, well of course it's not the master tape. But it's a version of the movie that looks exactly like the original looked thirty years ago.

No, that's absurd. A 35mm print projected in 1977 does not "look exactly like" a telecine that's been signal-processed and transferred to meet home video standards of almost 20 years ago. I can't believe anyone would claim that seriously.

--Justin

 

[JarodRussell]

Nope. Back in 1997, the technology didn't exist to do a film-quality digital master of the entire movie, so they actually had to physically cut up the old film master and splice in the new scenes.

And how did they get the CGI integrated into old scenes?

Even now, I've heard rumors that the digital masters made for the blu-ray are only 1080p, rather than movie-theater-sized, future-proofed up the wazoo 4k copies like sensible people with the biggest digital effects company on the planet would do.

The prequels were shot on 1080p cameras (like Superman Returns and a couple of other digital movies), as far as I know.

 

[David cgc]

Nope. Back in 1997, the technology didn't exist to do a film-quality digital master of the entire movie, so they actually had to physically cut up the old film master and splice in the new scenes.

And how did they get the CGI integrated into old scenes?

They could scan and print to film individual shots, but they didn't have the capacity to have the entire, complete movie on a harddisk.

 

[Harvey]

That's not the original. That's an old transfer of the original.

Yes, well of course it's not the master tape. But it's a version of the movie that looks exactly like the original looked thirty years ago.

The original was mastered in 35mm film and exhibited in both 35mm and 70mm film, so, no, it doesn't look exactly like the original did 35 years ago. Neither will the Blu-Ray -- but it will be closer.

 

[Samurai8472]

I would really like to go back in time and bring a blu-ray player,a HD tv and show Lucas the changes he makes.

Most likely he'll go

"Huh. I'm sure I had good reason to change Obi-Wan's call to scare Jawas"

 

[davejames]

I would really like to go back in time and bring a blu-ray player,a HD tv and show Lucas the changes he makes.

Most likely he'll go

"Huh. I'm sure I had good reason to change Obi-Wan's call to scare Jawas"

Heh. He'd probably be too distracted with the super-advanced blu-ray and HDTV technology to care about the movies.



Although once he DID get a look at them, he'd probably wonder what the hell his future self was thinking, and why he felt the need to soften everything up so damn much.

 

[Sindatur]

I would really like to go back in time and bring a blu-ray player,a HD tv and show Lucas the changes he makes.

Most likely he'll go

"Huh. I'm sure I had good reason to change Obi-Wan's call to scare Jawas"

Heh. He'd probably be too distracted with the super-advanced blu-ray and HDTV technology to care about the movies.



Although once he DID get a look at them, he'd probably wonder what the hell his future self was thinking, and why he felt the need to soften everything up so damn much.

Either that, or he'd change everything before the fact, and the changes would always be there (naturally, I'm referring to the arbitrary changes that weren't changed due to lack of technology preventing him from doing it the way he always intended to")

 

[Yoda]

Heh. He'd probably be too distracted with the super-advanced blu-ray and HDTV technology to care about the movies.

Isn't that what's happening right now?

 

[Trekker4747]

How is it pedantic to point out that a change you said was made, in fact was not made?

I think it's possible I may have quoted the wrong post in that post.

 

[Professor Zoom]

That is absolutely not what I said. I never said Lucas should be giving us the original versions. You are totally misrepresenting what I said and I would appreciate it if you would stick to what I actually wrote instead of making assumptions.

if you didn't want me to misrepresent what you said, then perhaps you should've written more than, "Mellencamp doesn't like singing X, but he does it for the fans. Just saying."

Just saying.

I simply used Mellencamp as an example of an artist who understands that even though he has work he is less than happy with there are huge groups of people who love it and still want to hear it.

Ok. So? Lucas probably DOES understand. But, he doesn't care or agree.

I was suggesting it would be a nice gesture for Lucas to acknowledge a rather large portion of his fan base who enjoy his original works by also giving them the original version of his works. That's it.

It would be a nice gesture. But, he doesn't want to do it. He also allows LOT of fanfilms. A LOT. It's a very nice gesture that he doesn't mail each and everyone one of them a cease and desist letter for violating copyright and infringing trademark. Which he could do. But he doesn't. Perhaps, for him, THAT'S the nice gesture to the fans: they get to make their own Star Wars films.

 

[I Grok Spock]

That's not the original. That's an old transfer of the original.

Yes, well of course it's not the master tape. But it's a version of the movie that looks exactly like the original looked thirty years ago.

Not exactly.

 

[cylkoth]

I would really like to go back in time and bring a blu-ray player,a HD tv and show Lucas the changes he makes.

Most likely he'll go

"Huh. I'm sure I had good reason to change Obi-Wan's call to scare Jawas"

Heh. He'd probably be too distracted with the super-advanced blu-ray and HDTV technology to care about the movies.



Although once he DID get a look at them, he'd probably wonder what the hell his future self was thinking, and why he felt the need to soften everything up so damn much.

Either that, or he'd change everything before the fact, and the changes would always be there (naturally, I'm referring to the arbitrary changes that weren't changed due to lack of technology preventing him from doing it the way he always intended to")

And the universe implodes....