SW blu-rays have changes to the films again

[Professor Zoom]

I read an interview with John Mellencamp once where he stated that he hated playing Jack and Diane but he did it because he knew his fans loved it. Just sayin'.

So, what you're saying is, you respect the choice of the artist so long as they agree with you?

What does Mellencamp's choice have to do with Lucas's choice, other than Lucas made one you don't like?

Should the artist have a choice or not?

 

[the G-man]

Why is it hard to understand? I, and many other people, want the original movies -as they appeared in their first runs- on the best-quality available format for this day-and-age, that being Blue-Ray disc.

You can want whatever. You are owed nothing by Lucas. It's his call. That some don't like it is immaterial to him I imagine.

One thing he can't be called is greedy in this case since he could offer both and surely make more.

You really think he won't offer the originals later in the hopes of selling them to people who bought the SE's?

Seriously? You think Lucas isn't greedy? The guy who put Ewoks in RotJ because he wanted to sell teddy bears?

I read an interview with John Mellencamp once where he stated that he hated playing Jack and Diane but he did it because he knew his fans loved it. Just sayin'.

So, what you're saying is, you respect the choice of the artist so long as they agree with you?

What does Mellencamp's choice have to do with Lucas's choice, other than Lucas made one you don't like?

Should the artist have a choice or not?

It's ironic. 25 years ago, Lucas was railing in congress against colorizing movies and predicting that classic films would someday be ruined by greedy execs using CGI to recast actors and change plot points.

Yeah, I guess he has a choice. That doesn't mean people shouldn't blast him for the choice he made.

 

[Corran Horn]

You really think he won't offer the originals later in the hopes of selling them to people who bought the SE's?

Seriously? You think Lucas isn't greedy? The guy who put Ewoks in RotJ because he wanted to sell teddy bears?

Then why didn't he do it with DVDs if he was so greedy? Why not pull a LOTR and release the OT on DVD, wait a year or so, and release the SEs? You don't think that'd make more money than what he did?

 

[davejames]

Fans may not be owed anything by Lucas but it would certainly be a nice gesture on his part to listen to the them since they helped get him where he is today.

Exactly. He may not be obligated in any way, but it still seems like a damn shame that the only copy available of the original beloved Star Wars Trilogy... is in something barely better than VHS quality.

Hell, even Spaceballs looks better on my HDTV than Star Wars now.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Yeah, I guess he has a choice. That doesn't mean people shouldn't blast him for the choice he made.

Absolutely. If one doesn't like his choice by all means complain. But when I see arguments like, "well other artists do the things they don't like to keep people happy so should Lucas..." That I think is a ridiculous argument. Lucas shouldn't be beholden to the choices other people have made.

 

[the G-man]

You really think he won't offer the originals later in the hopes of selling them to people who bought the SE's?

Seriously? You think Lucas isn't greedy? The guy who put Ewoks in RotJ because he wanted to sell teddy bears?

Then why didn't he do it with DVDs if he was so greedy? Why not pull a LOTR and release the OT on DVD, wait a year or so, and release the SEs? You don't think that'd make more money than what he did?

No.

LOTR SE's was about a director adding cut material largely consistent with the oriignal [and the book on which the original was based], not changing plot points,

SW SE's about a producer/director tinkering with his own work and generally leaving fans displeased in the process.

If Lucas released the "real" versions first, most people would get the originals and bother with the screwed up special editions.

Therefore, Lucas needs to sell the special editions first to maximize his profit. And, in fact, that's what he did with the DVDs in 2004. He released the special editions first and the original versions two years later.

It's all about greed the way he's doing it.

 

[Corran Horn]

You really think he won't offer the originals later in the hopes of selling them to people who bought the SE's?

Seriously? You think Lucas isn't greedy? The guy who put Ewoks in RotJ because he wanted to sell teddy bears?

Then why didn't he do it with DVDs if he was so greedy? Why not pull a LOTR and release the OT on DVD, wait a year or so, and release the SEs? You don't think that'd make more money than what he did?

No.

LOTR SE's was about a director adding cut material largely consistent with the oriignal [and the book on which the original was based], not changing plot points,

SW SE's about a producer/director tinkering with his own work and generally leaving fans displeased in the process.

If Lucas released the "real" versions first, most people would get the originals and bother with the screwed up special editions.

Therefore, Lucas needs to sell the special editions first to maximize his profit.

It's all about greed the way he's doing it.

Sorry, I don't buy it. Those OT DVDs were nothing more than a throw-in. If he was simply greedy he'd have done a better presentation of the OT on DVD.

 

[Candlelight]

Just go to Fanedit.org and download the version you like the most.

And under the rules of the website, providing you own a copy of the "original" (sic) you're allowed to do so.

 

[Trekker4747]

You really think he won't offer the originals later in the hopes of selling them to people who bought the SE's?

Seriously? You think Lucas isn't greedy? The guy who put Ewoks in RotJ because he wanted to sell teddy bears?

Then why didn't he do it with DVDs if he was so greedy? Why not pull a LOTR and release the OT on DVD, wait a year or so, and release the SEs? You don't think that'd make more money than what he did?

No.

LOTR SE's was about a director adding cut material largely consistent with the oriignal [and the book on which the original was based], not changing plot points,

SW SE's about a producer/director tinkering with his own work and generally leaving fans displeased in the process.

If Lucas released the "real" versions first, most people would get the originals and bother with the screwed up special editions.

Therefore, Lucas needs to sell the special editions first to maximize his profit. And, in fact, that's what he did with the DVDs in 2004. He released the special editions first and the original versions two years later.

It's all about greed the way he's doing it.

Lucas has never released the original movies on DVD.

Some extras that were not enhanced for the format on discs that contain the "revised" editions do not count.

 

[Turtletrekker]

it's hard to believe Greedo shooting first

Please don't be naive. This particular change does make an impact. It takes the edge off a character, makes him a little less interesting.

Bull.
Shit.

Don't get me wrong, it's not a change that I would have made. I thought that the original was fine. But no matter who shoots first, Han still comes off as a bad-ass with an "edge". How can a person who kills a sentient in a public place, strolls on out like its an everyday occurance while apologizing for the mess not be considered to have an edge? What does Han have to do to regain his so-called "edge" in that scene? Eat the corpse?

 

[Davros]

And those theatrical cuts were non-anamorphic and not at DVD resolution.

So what? All of the complaints of a horrible picture are nonsense.

 

[Trekker4747]

And those theatrical cuts were non-anamorphic and not at DVD resolution.

So what? All of the complaints of a horrible picture are nonsense.

There's a reason why home-media has advanced from shitty OTA TV to cable, to VHS to LD to DVD and now to BD.

Because people want it to look, and sound good!

 

[Davros]

And those theatrical cuts were non-anamorphic and not at DVD resolution.

So what? All of the complaints of a horrible picture are nonsense.

There's a reason why home-media has advanced from shitty OTA TV to cable, to VHS to LD to DVD and now to BD.

Because people want it to look, and sound good!

It looks fine and sounds fine. I don't need to see every pore in every actors face to enjoy a movie.

 

[Set Harth]

What does Han have to do to regain his so-called "edge" in that scene? Eat the corpse?

Now that's an addition I could get behind. But I doubt he tastes good.

 

[davejames]

Don't get me wrong, it's not a change that I would have made. I thought that the original was fine. But no matter who shoots first, Han still comes off as a bad-ass with an "edge". How can a person who kills a sentient in a public place, strolls on out like its an everyday occurance while apologizing for the mess not be considered to have an edge? What does Han have to do to regain his so-called "edge" in that scene? Eat the corpse?

Because catching Greedo by surprise, before he could get his own shot off, is a helluva lot more badass than simply being lucky that Greedo can't aim straight.

 

[Davros]

Don't get me wrong, it's not a change that I would have made. I thought that the original was fine. But no matter who shoots first, Han still comes off as a bad-ass with an "edge". How can a person who kills a sentient in a public place, strolls on out like its an everyday occurance while apologizing for the mess not be considered to have an edge? What does Han have to do to regain his so-called "edge" in that scene? Eat the corpse?

Because catching Greedo by surprise, before he could get his own shot off, is a helluva lot more badass than simply being lucky that Greedo can't aim straight.

Exactly

 

[Mike Farley]

and george gets to keep the copyrights to star wars till 2072. so get over it.

Here's a question: Every time he changes parts of the movies and creates new "special editions" does he extend the copyright, on the theory that these editions are "new" works?

IIRC the Star Wars Special Edition had a new 1997 copyright but Empire and Jedi both only had their original copyright dates. I don't know if that actually carries any real legal weight though.

Because catching Greedo by surprise, before he could get his own shot off, is a helluva lot more badass than simply being lucky that Greedo can't aim straight.

Greedo could aim straight just fine, but his blaster inexplicably fired off at an angle. He was a victem of shoddy Hutt workmanship.

 

[Trekker4747]

So what? All of the complaints of a horrible picture are nonsense.

There's a reason why home-media has advanced from shitty OTA TV to cable, to VHS to LD to DVD and now to BD.

Because people want it to look, and sound good!

It looks fine and sounds fine. I don't need to see every pore in every actors face to enjoy a movie.

Neither do I. But crispness, clarity, defined colors, and generally a picture that doesn't look like I'm looking through a rusty window screen smeared with cat shit.

Greedo could aim straight just fine, but his blaster inexplicably fired off at an angle. He was a victem of shoddy Hutt workmanship.

Sight your gun, Greedo!

So instead of being a roguish-badass anti-hero who kills before being killed in the Old-West/rough and tumble-vibe of the cantina/Tattoine/life on the rim . Han is just really lucky that Greedo's gun sucks?

That's. Lame.

 

[Candlelight]

LOTR SE's was about a director adding cut material largely consistent with the oriignal [and the book on which the original was based], not changing plot points.

With a couple of exceptions - the fate of Saruman being one.

 

[Trekker4747]

In the next version of Star Wars, Porkins will LIVE!