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The Avengers & the Hulk

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wamdue

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I am looking forward to the forthcoming Avengers movie, and have so far seen most of the previous movies, aside from CapAm and Hulk.

CapAm simply because ive yet to get around to it, but Hulk, well whats up with the Hulk being inculded, his last two movies have hardy set the box office alight, could Hulks presence in the movie be bad for the Avengers?

The Incredible Hulk was only a sort of sequel to the Hulk movie before that.

I guess Robert Downey Jrs Tony Stars appearnce in The Incredible Hulk means that it is undenably part of the "Marvel Movie verse" or whatever its being called.

The Hulk isnt going to be a draw to the movie, and given how the auidence react to movies featuring him, is it too much of a risk, or just a waste of time?
 
I don't think he'll hurt the movie at all and the Hulk movies were exactly duds at the box office. Plus he was one of the original Avengers so I do think he needs to be in the first Avengers movie.
 
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The Hulk is being included in The Avengers because he is a popular character (despite his movies' underperforming at the box office) and because he was featured in the first storyline for The Avengers comic book way back in 1963. He is a founding member of the team.

And yes, The Incredible Hulk is a part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. It is not, however, a sequel of any kind to Ang Lee's Hulk, which was not developed by Marvel Studios and is not a part of the MCU (nor are the Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Daredevil, Punisher, or Blade movies).
 
that is a fair point, in comic book terms an Avengers movie without the Hulk would seem odd. I guess if you were making the decesion based on the movies alone you wouldnt inculde The Hulk, but since those movies are based on comic books, the comic book history of The Avengers should be respected.

The idea of the Hulk being a "founder memeber" seems odd, as from the movies, it appears that Nick Fury & S.H.I.E.L.D. are doing most of the founding. For example Nick Fury was recuriting Tony Stark to the "Avenger Initiative".
 
Well, Captain America wasn't discovered and thawed out until The Avengers #4, so they are fudging things a bit in that regard, but Marvel Studios has been planning this since the release of Iron Man in 2008. The Hulk was always going to be included in their plans for the Avengers.
 
Skywalker said:
Well, Captain America wasn't discovered and thawed out until The Avengers #4, so they are fudging things a bit in that regard, but Marvel Studios has been planning this since the release of Iron Man in 2008. The Hulk was always going to be included in their plans for the Avengers.
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I am sure comic books reboots of The Avengers inculde him from the first issue. I think its safe to say no one expects the movies to be true to the FIRST Avengers, just the general history of the Avengers.
 
wamdue said:
Skywalker said:
Well, Captain America wasn't discovered and thawed out until The Avengers #4, so they are fudging things a bit in that regard, but Marvel Studios has been planning this since the release of Iron Man in 2008. The Hulk was always going to be included in their plans for the Avengers.
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I am sure comic books reboots of The Avengers inculde him from the first issue. I think its safe to say no one expects the movies to be true to the FIRST Avengers, just the general history of the Avengers.
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No, the Avengers in the 616 universe has never been rebooted and certainly never excluded the Hulk from their ranks. He has gone back to them from time to time.
 
The Hulk has been included in the origin of the Avengers since the start and "The Incredible Hulk" still takes place within the cinematic universe. Mark Ruffalo is simply playing a recast Bruce Banner. I'm pretty sure there are plans to use him in a sequel to "The Incredible Hulk" after "Avengers". He signed a multi-film deal.

I've speculated that Joss is going to use a mixture of the origins of both the 616 and Ultimate universe plus whatever else Joss wants to include. We know he's a big comic fan and is more attached to the Marvel Universe than the DC Universe.

I'm not really sure the point of the post. I'm getting the impression that you are not a Hulk fan wamdue. Or is that incorrect? A Hulk fan would probably not ask this question.
 
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The Hulk isnt going to be a draw to the movie
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Then the world has gone mad :). He's part of the Avengers' DNA, a founder of the original team (though in the late 1990s relaunch it was established that in-universe he wasn't considered an official founder. B*st*rds!) and an excellent opponent/ally for Thor, Iron Man and Cap. He's also one of Marvel's most complex and interesting characters, having once been described as a Rorschach Blot for writers and of course being the only Marvel character to have a successful live-action TV series. Seriously, an Avengers origin movie written by Joss Whedon and with no Hulk? That would be crazy or inspired.
 
yes I am not a Hulk fan, and the last two Hulk movies have not done well.

I guessing agreeing that he should be in it, due to the history in the comic books, kinda screws up my arguement.

I dont think the public will want to see this based on the fact The Hulk is in it, but even I know the point of an Avengers movie, is not to see your favourite hero, its to see a team of heroes.

Scrawny71 Does Joss have a link to Thor I dont know? I know he did a X-Men comic book.
 
Here's the question: will the presence of the Hulk deter anyone from seeing The Avengers?

My guess is no, not a one, except maybe Ruffalo's ex-girlfriends.

Otherwise, it's just good business sense to include him, in order to boost sales of TIH on TV and elsewhere.
 
People are not seeing this film because any one character is in it...they're gonna see it for a multitude of reasons. This is Marvel Studios big pay off film, what they're previous films have set up since "Iron Man". As others have pointed out Hulk is tied into the original founding of the team and since this is an origin movie it only makes sense to use him.

Joss has no real tie to "Thor". It's just gonna be exciting to see written dialogue for all of these characters.
 
Yes Joss did revisions for "Captain America: The First Avenger". No one is aware what those revisions were, but speculation is just some dialogue and he tweeked some scenes. I am personally guessing that he probably rewrote what happened to Bucky in the film.
 
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Here's the question: will the presence of the Hulk deter anyone from seeing The Avengers?

My guess is no, not a one, except maybe Ruffalo's ex-girlfriends.

Otherwise, it's just good business sense to include him, in order to boost sales of TIH on TV and elsewhere.
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I am sure your right it wont deter anyone from seeing the movie, but that by itself is no good reason to inculde him in the movie. I assume Hawkeye wasnt in the Thor movie, simply because "it wouldnt deter someone from seeing it"

The decesion was made beore TIH of course, so really this discussion is WAY to late.

Does Joss have any connection to the Hulk?
 
I think Steve and Peggy talking about going dancing and then Steve's "I had a date" were added by Whedon, too. I don't actually know if that's true, it's just my guess.
 
wamdue said:
yes I am not a Hulk fan, and the last two Hulk movies have not done well.

I guessing agreeing that he should be in it, due to the history in the comic books, kinda screws up my arguement.

I dont think the public will want to see this based on the fact The Hulk is in it, but even I know the point of an Avengers movie, is not to see your favourite hero, its to see a team of heroes.

Scrawny71 Does Joss have a link to Thor I dont know? I know he did a X-Men comic book.
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I think the biggest thrill for most fans will be seeing all those characters together and watching them interact with each other.
 
@wamdue it doesn't really matter if Joss has a connection to any of the characters. The fact is that he's writing and directing this movie and a lot of fans are excited about it. As far as I know he has very little connection to the characters he's writing or using in the film...aside from Abigail Brand who is supposed to have a cameo whom he created for his Astonishing X-Men run.
 
The Incredible Hulk made $263 million worldwide on a budget of $150 million.

Hulk made $245 million on a $137 million budget.

These films were hardly poor performers, except to those who think a movie needs to make a billion dollars to be considered successful. Which is ridiculous. None of the Marvel movies have does this so far.

The real question here is, will Ant Man be in it?
 
No. At least, not in a major role. Maybe a cameo. But as far as we know, neither Ant-Man or the Wasp will be in it.
 
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