Wasn't that mean to be the uber-vampires? Otherwise yeah that kind of went by the wayside. There isn't really much redeeming factor about season seven.
Buffy: Why isn't there a third Slayer?
- Thread starter Roger Wilco
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After Buffy died facing the master, Kendra was activated, and she was the slayer. At this point, Buffy was not the slayer. When Dru killed Kendra in the library, Faith was activated. Since Faith never died, the next slayer was never activated.
^ Yeah we've kind of been through that already in the thread.
The first seven episodes, from the season premiere through "Conversations with Dead People", seemed to be building up in one direction, and then they changed course, dropped most of those plot threads, and went in a different direction. It's a shame, too, because those early episodes were very good.
I agree. I really enjoyed the first part of Season 7 because of the direction they were taking. Then all of a sudden things got really dark and angry, and I just didn't enjoy it all that much.
I heartily commend those individuals who spoiled the end of season seven for him, despite Roger Wilco starting in his very first sentence that he's watching Buffy for the first time. Bang up job, folks.
Don't worry, I've unfortunately spoilered myself about most of that stuff a long time ago and anyway I'm not that fussy about that stuff.
Speaking of CWDP, I'll add in the "When it's bad, Buffy won't choose you. She'll be against you" line to the mix.
Yeah ok, Jane Espenson had to confirm later that it was the First Evil and not the ghost of Joyce. And there's that little thing in Lies My Parents Told Me-
Buffy- "Giles, we had this conversation when I told you that I wouldn't sacrifice Dawn to stop Glory from destroying the world."
Giles- "Ah, yes, but things are different, aren't they? After what you've been through, faced with the same choice now, you'd let her die."
Buffy- "If I had to...to save the world. Yes."
But still... that was it? That big dramatic moment just for that little bit of dialogue. Bah
And I'm not convinced at all that Buffy would have really done it. She just said it to Giles to try to convince him that she was "all about the mission" and not letting personal feelings affect her, which he didn't believe.
CWDP was awesome, but it was setting a much more compelling season 7 than what we got. That part you quoted could be explained as just the First messing with people close to Buffy, but it was still disappointing that it ended up meaning nothing more and going nowhere. (Unless they decide to pick it up in season 9 or 10 and somehow make it mean something, like BSG webisodes in season 4 did with the dangling plot point of Gaeta's "secret".)
The First could have been a great villain, at first I found it really interesting, as this force that could take on not just any "dead" person's look but also their personality traits (or rather, the evil version of their personality) and incorporate it into itself, and could screw with everyone's minds. But later on it wasn't even that interesting since it just looked like Buffy most of the time - and it didn't really seem to have any coherent plan. We never learned what its big plan for Spike was.
One of the best parts of Joss Whedon's Q&A at the "Cultural Humanist" award ceremony was when a girl asked him what was the deal with the First and "why was it so incompetent".
Yeah I remember that exchange and I agree with Devil Eyes that it was more or less Buffy just showing Giles her conviction. The fact that she pauses before completing the sentence would indicate that she would most likely find another way.
I always thought that the force was disrupted when the scoopies channeled *all* the former slayers for Buffy to fight Adam... Wasn't there a "first slayer" episode during season six?
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It's possible that the Season 6/7 Buffy would actually let Dawn die. She is a significantly more angry and depressed person than she was before her unwanted "rescue" from Heaven. She might not want Dawn to die, but she also may not care enough to do anything to stop her from dying.
Sineya was first seen in "Restless," the season four finale, in which she hunted Buffy and the gang in their dreams after they used the Enjoining spell to fight Adam. The episode you might be thinking about was near the end of season five, in which Giles sent Buffy on a spiritual quest and Sineya told her that death was her gift. She appears once more, late in season seven.
Rubbish. Buffy was depressed during season 6, not season 7, and during her depression she never stopped caring about people, including strangers, let alone people she loved, like Dawn. She cared too much when she wrongly believed she accidentally killed a stranger in Dead Things,and wanted to give herself up to the police. She certainly cared when Willow tried to kill Dawn and then everyone else - forget that, she cared very much to try to stop Willow from killing Warren Fucking Mears, of all people, and Andrew and Jonathan.
In season 7, if anything she cared too much about saving everyone and felt horrible when she couldn't - see Help, that episode was all about Buffy having to face the fact that you can't always save everyone. And for the rest of the season, she felt too much responsibility, feeling awful when
a Potential killed herself and then when her plan lead to Caleb killing two more girls and poking Xander's eye out
I guess since late seasons Buffy doesn't talk about her feelings all the time and doesn't show them openly - and in S7 she thought she needed to suppress in order to be the General some people just conclude that oh, well, she doesn't care. Nothing could be further from the truth. She's a person who shows her love through actions, by saving people and fighting for them, rather than by nice words.
@Jax well we know the Calling won't happen now until Melaka Fray is called in the 23th century unless something changes in season nine to disrupt that.
No, Dawn is the love of Buffy's life, everything she does is for her, it's her love for Dawn that stops her throwing herself off Glory's tower in Bargaining. It's her love for Dawn and her friends that finally makes her let Spike go and return to her old self. When Buffy climbs out of the ground in Grave it's with Dawn at her sideAs for the original question I think it's established that both Buffy AND Faith would have to die for a new Slayer to be called in season 5. I take it from the comics that it used to be that when one of the Slayer army died a new Slayer was called in her place but now they've aboloished magic that no longer happens?
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