TORCHWOOD: Miracle Day episode two "Rendition" disscussions & comments

[doubleohfive]

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I've enjoyed the first two episodes. They're more sublime than I was expecting, being that the show is now being jointly produced with an American company. There seems to be a smaller throughline building up toward something, and I'm ok with waiting till the season is done before making any kind of definitive judgment so far.

my current, trending theory in the Twitterpocalypse of my brain would be that Torchwood will find a way to 'undo' the Miracle Day effect, but while they are able to do this, it will also jointly kill everyone who was killed/died and then resurrected after Miracle Day started.

 

[Tom]

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way better than children of earth and this is only the second episode.

Blasphemy. While I'm engaged, Miracle Day is not (as of yet) nearly as gripping as Children of Earth was from the very start.

Agreed so far not as good at COE, but we have just begun so time will tell.

 

[Gov Kodos]

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It is great to have Jack and Gwen back in an adventure, but the story is not holding my attention on the American front. Apart from Mekhi Phifer as Rex, the US side just doesn't hold my interest and I'm impatient to get back to Jack and Gwen. I may feel better about this when more is revealed and starts tying the story threads together, but I'm not feeling much beyond impatient with this.

 

[od0_ital]

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... On a similar note, could they not afford to pay the guy playing Oswald's police escort/bodyguard? The guy never talks. Even when asked what time it is, he just holds up his arm and Oswald reads the watch.

In-verse explanation, goin' by what happened at the craft services table & the elevator, dude may have to watch Oswald, doesn't mean he has to talk to him. Ever.

Real world explanation, dude says anything, he gets paid more, every time the episode airs.

How many times has Star Trek used an extra for a scene where the captain or the doctor gives an order, and instead of sayin' "aye, sir" and walkin' away, they just nod & walk away? A lot!

 

[Professor Zoom]

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my current, trending theory in the Twitterpocalypse of my brain would be that Torchwood will find a way to 'undo' the Miracle Day effect, but while they are able to do this, it will also jointly kill everyone who was killed/died and then resurrected after Miracle Day started.

I think that's what will happen too.

 

[SG-17]

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I may have missed it, but is there any indication that people are actually healing from injuries now? The way they are playing it makes it seem like that everyone who should have died isn't healing at all.

 

[The Wormhole]

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... On a similar note, could they not afford to pay the guy playing Oswald's police escort/bodyguard? The guy never talks. Even when asked what time it is, he just holds up his arm and Oswald reads the watch.

In-verse explanation, goin' by what happened at the craft services table & the elevator, dude may have to watch Oswald, doesn't mean he has to talk to him. Ever.

Real world explanation, dude says anything, he gets paid more, every time the episode airs.

How many times has Star Trek used an extra for a scene where the captain or the doctor gives an order, and instead of sayin' "aye, sir" and walkin' away, they just nod & walk away? A lot!

Yeah, I know about Mute Extras and the rules they must follow. I just think it's kind of funny the efforts they're going to to make sure this guy doesn't talk.

I may have missed it, but is there any indication that people are actually healing from injuries now? The way they are playing it makes it seem like that everyone who should have died isn't healing at all.

I would assume that injuries are healing at the normal rate an injury heals. Thing is, the kind of injuries we've been seeing there is no precedent for how long it would heal, since anyone who actually had those kind of injuries would be dead.

Though this has me wondering, if someone's injury caused them to lose blood (like Rex) what would happen when they ran out of blood?

 

[SG-17]

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Probably just intense pain from oxygen starvation.

But people have received injuries, like Rex, that normally if they had more time they could fix. It isn't like he was cut in half. I don't know the timeframe between the two episodes, but it doesn't seem like Rex is healing at all, at least by the way he keeps requesting the pain meds.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

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my current, trending theory in the Twitterpocalypse of my brain would be that Torchwood will find a way to 'undo' the Miracle Day effect, but while they are able to do this, it will also jointly kill everyone who was killed/died and then resurrected after Miracle Day started.

I think that's what will happen too.

If there's any consistency, Jack will be the one who makes that call.

 

[ATimson]

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But people have received injuries, like Rex, that normally if they had more time they could fix. It isn't like he was cut in half. I don't know the timeframe between the two episodes, but it doesn't seem like Rex is healing at all, at least by the way he keeps requesting the pain meds.

My impression was that "Rendition" took place all on the same day as "The New World" ended.

As for how long between the injury and when Rex got on the plane... it didn't seem like long. A day or three, maybe? So he's still pretty early in the healing stages for having a spike driven all the way through his body!

 

[Bob The Skutter]

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Probably just intense pain from oxygen starvation.

But people have received injuries, like Rex, that normally if they had more time they could fix. It isn't like he was cut in half. I don't know the timeframe between the two episodes, but it doesn't seem like Rex is healing at all, at least by the way he keeps requesting the pain meds.

Have you ever had to heal from a major injury or surgery? It can take weeks/months for the pain to fully ease.

 

[Pingfah]

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I enjoyed episode one, but I thought the second episode was shit. Totally devoid of any urgency or excitement, not half as funny as the first ep either.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

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Alright, but not nearly as good as the first episode.

The discussions on medical ethics, logistics (the rearrangement of triage), and the bacteriological consequences of no one dying were by far the most interesting part of the episode, and I'm glad to see they're continuing to examine those issues as time goes on instead of just dropping it after the first episode in favor of straight up action.

The stuff on the plane was kind of weak, but with some occasional good humor. I've seen enough close-ups of Captain Jack's facial contortions for a while, though. The concoction of the poison absorber seemed kind of contrived and lasted a bit too long.

Mekhi Phifer continues to be awful, which is a shame because I've never found him to be a terrible actor before. Plus, making his character a total douche on top of the bad acting doesn't help. His recovery in the time it took to get from Cardiff to Heathrow where he went from stumbling along looking to be constantly on the verge of cardiac arrest to running around and fighting and just needing an aspirin to get by was nothing short of remarkable.

There were a lot of "Hey, it's ______!" moments in this episode, with Sierra from Dollhouse, Claire Fisher from Six Feet Under (who I didn't know was going to be a regular until looking it up), and of course Newman! I feel bad for Wayne Knight being associated with that one character so strongly, but his casting kind of takes you out of the episode and it's hard to take him seriously as a villain.

I have trouble believing that even with the miracles of the past few days the public would so quickly embrace a previously unrepentant child murdering pedophile. Bill Pullman still manages to somehow make the character compelling though.

The awareness of being set-up and the escape from the CIA was pretty slick, and I really like Esther's character so far.

 

[The Wormhole]

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Here's a thought: how can evil CIA lady stand and walk around after having her neck snapped? Wouldn't that cause damage to her spine making it impossible for her to move, and therefore she should be stuck laying where Rex left her?

 

[Locutus of Bored]

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Here's a thought: how can evil CIA lady stand and walk around after having her neck snapped? Wouldn't that cause damage to her spine making it impossible for her to move, and therefore she should be stuck laying where Rex left her?

Maybe it was more like an internal decapitation like this woman survived, and it was just the skin that was stretched around rather than the spine itself being broken:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/health/13286533/detail.html

Of course, when decapitated heads can still hear and track people with its eyes long after any residual oxygen in their brain is gone, and separated hands can still grasp at things, who knows what's possible?

One thing I don't recall them discussing, is why isn't medically inducing comas being considered more often for the patients who are too far gone to recover and are just suffering? It would seem to be the better option when a shortage of pain meds will be happening quickly.

 

[Yminale]

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The episode was OK but I'm surprised they are spending so much time on setup. CoE seemed to move faster.

My only problem is I'm sick of the let's kill Torchwood nonsense. It didn't make sense in CoE ("you're going to murder the only people who can help you fight back against the aliens?") and it doesn't make sense now.

Honestly it better not be like CoE where we found out that the evil government is a bunch of bumbling idiots trying no to get blamed.

 

[stj]

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Bill Pullman is theatrically impressive and Lauren Ambrose reeks sleaze but how do these people get to be the Big Bads?

Why would the CIA want to kill Torchwood? Stuff and nonsense, fake jeopardy to fill up time. Very inefficient.

For those complaining in the other thread, Jack may have had a transatlantic epiphany and is now interested only in Gwen. Aww, she's married. Oh, angsty!

 

[Yminale]

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Bill Pullman is theatrically impressive and Lauren Ambrose reeks sleaze but how do these people get to be the Big Bads?

Patients grasshopper. In CoE the big bad was a government flunkie who got his in the worst way possible.

I think Pullman's character is either going to be a an anti-hero or a martyr. As for Ambrose, damn she looks good.

Why would the CIA want to kill Torchwood? Stuff and nonsense, fake jeopardy to fill up time. Very inefficient.

No disagreement there.

For those complaining in the other thread, Jack may have had a transatlantic epiphany and is now interested only in Gwen. Aww, she's married. Oh, angsty!

Jack has always been interested in Gwen (and Jack will dance with anyone). He's also a guy that respects boundaries and knows that Gwen is just a friend.

 

[ATimson]

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Why would the CIA want to kill Torchwood? Stuff and nonsense, fake jeopardy to fill up time. Very inefficient.

Except it's probably not the CIA, unless they got a triangle logo when I wasn't looking.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

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Why would the CIA want to kill Torchwood? Stuff and nonsense, fake jeopardy to fill up time. Very inefficient.

Except it's probably not the CIA, unless they got a triangle logo when I wasn't looking.

Clearly it's the US Postal Service, which is why they have Newman as their chief henchman.