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TORCHWOOD: Miracle Day episode two "Rendition" disscussions & comments

what do you think of this weeks episode?

  • fantastic

    Votes: 8 14.5%
  • great

    Votes: 20 36.4%
  • good

    Votes: 17 30.9%
  • argh what the hell

    Votes: 10 18.2%

  • Total voters
    55
Re: TORCHWOOD: Miracle Day episode two "Rendition" disscussions & comm

Oh, sorry. Misunderstood.

The morphic field was given as the explanation for why so many alien races in Doctor Who look like humans. The idea is that they all really look like Time Lords, and since the Time Lords were first, any other animals that were evolving in the general direction of mammalian bipedal tool-users ended up with that appearance.

Honestly, I hadn't even realized it originated in the real world until I pulled up that link just now. I'd only ever heard of it in the context of Doctor Who's explanation for the rubber forehead problem.

Ah, got it. I didn't remember that from Lucifer Rising. Yeah, the morphic field is a dumb piece of pseudoscience which also appears in the awful Big Finish audio drama Scaredy Cat and as part of the climax of a major comic book series (where naming it is a spoiler).
 
Re: TORCHWOOD: Miracle Day episode two "Rendition" disscussions & comm

Well that was inoffensively bland. I have a feeling that 10 episodes is a bit more than the writers wanted to have. As for Wayne Knight, well, I'm going to give it a few more episodes before I judge him.

I give the episode a good, but leaning towards "Argh what the hell".

Maybe he'll get eaten by another dinosaur while hiding on the toilet again.
 
Re: TORCHWOOD: Miracle Day episode two "Rendition" disscussions & comm

Well that was inoffensively bland. I have a feeling that 10 episodes is a bit more than the writers wanted to have. As for Wayne Knight, well, I'm going to give it a few more episodes before I judge him.

I give the episode a good, but leaning towards "Argh what the hell".

Maybe he'll get eaten by another dinosaur while hiding on the toilet again.

No, no! That was the lawyer who got eaten while hiding on the toilet. Nedry got blinded by the venomous spit of a dilophosaurus which then proceeded to kill him.
 
Re: TORCHWOOD: Miracle Day episode two "Rendition" disscussions & comm

"Rendition" saw a thirty percent drop in audience from the debut episode on Starz.

Has production fully wrapped so we know we'll get all episodes?

It's cable, you'll get the whole thing and that's even before you factor in that it's a co-production with international distribution.

the shmozzle that was the broadcast of Caprica on Syfy i.e cable would counter the first part :)
 
Re: TORCHWOOD: Miracle Day episode two "Rendition" disscussions & comm

Well that was inoffensively bland. I have a feeling that 10 episodes is a bit more than the writers wanted to have. As for Wayne Knight, well, I'm going to give it a few more episodes before I judge him.

I give the episode a good, but leaning towards "Argh what the hell".

Maybe he'll get eaten by another dinosaur while hiding on the toilet again.

I wonder if that Pterodactyl is still alive.
 
Re: TORCHWOOD: Miracle Day episode two "Rendition" disscussions & comm

the shmozzle that was the broadcast of Caprica on Syfy i.e cable would counter the first part :)

Big difference between a commercial-funded cable channel and a subscription-funded channel.

Also, a 30% drop-off isn't terrible for a "new" show.
 
Re: TORCHWOOD: Miracle Day episode two "Rendition" disscussions & comm

Well that was inoffensively bland. I have a feeling that 10 episodes is a bit more than the writers wanted to have. As for Wayne Knight, well, I'm going to give it a few more episodes before I judge him.

I give the episode a good, but leaning towards "Argh what the hell".

Maybe he'll get eaten by another dinosaur while hiding on the toilet again.

I wonder if that Pterodactyl is still alive.

That might make for a fun twist at the end of the finale.
 
Re: TORCHWOOD: Miracle Day episode two "Rendition" disscussions & comm

Mediocre episode. But then, I'm just grateful I haven't wanted to savagely mutilate any of the principal characters yet, something which I wanted to do to pretty much everyone that wasn't either Gwen or Rhys at the end of "Children of Earth."

As for that redheaded publicist, I don't think she's human. I think she's an alien in disguise.

As for Diechen Lachman, I had 2 thoughts when I saw her in the episode...
First: "So what's the Rossum Corporation's angle on this?"
Second: "OooH! Adele is going to be pissed!"

Probably just intense pain from oxygen starvation.

But one of the central impossible things in "Miracle Day" is that some force is continuing to oxygenate the flesh even after any physical supply of oxygen is cut off. Still, I'd like to see more extreme experiments testing the limits of humanity's deathlessness. Like:
- Will this force continue to oxygenate the flesh even in a vacuum without any ambient oxygen?
- Decapitation doesn't work but what about removing and incinerating the brain? How badly do you have to mutilate the body before it stops exhibiting anything recognizably definable as life? (But then, this comes into a morbid thought I've sometimes had: What if, when we die, the brain is still actually alive, just not in any way that is observable by the outside world? What if the brain still feels pain when its cremated but it's just too hopelessly disconnected from the rest of the body to express it?)

my current, trending theory in the Twitterpocalypse of my brain would be that Torchwood will find a way to 'undo' the Miracle Day effect, but while they are able to do this, it will also jointly kill everyone who was killed/died and then resurrected after Miracle Day started.

I think that's what will happen too.

If there's any consistency, Jack will be the one who makes that call.

My friends & I have been working on a Torchwood theme song based on the theme for Chip 'n' Dale Rescue Rangers:

"J-J-J-Jack Harkness! (Kill your grandson!)..."

The discussions on medical ethics, logistics (the rearrangement of triage), and the bacteriological consequences of no one dying were by far the most interesting part of the episode, and I'm glad to see they're continuing to examine those issues as time goes on instead of just dropping it after the first episode in favor of straight up action.

Those were my favorite parts too.

The morphic field was given as the explanation for why so many alien races in Doctor Who look like humans. The idea is that they all really look like Time Lords, and since the Time Lords were first, any other animals that were evolving in the general direction of mammalian bipedal tool-users ended up with that appearance.

In a similar vein, the Big Finish audio stories "Neverland" & "Zagreus" establish that Rassilon committed quite a few genocides against species that he deemed too exotic. Many of the strangest races were banished into the Divergent Universe. Then there were others, like the Vampires, which tried to escape extermination by genetically modifying their appearance to look more like Time Lords (not that Rassilon was mollified by this).
 
Re: TORCHWOOD: Miracle Day episode two "Rendition" disscussions & comm

That's just vampire propaganda. Don't believe their lies. :borg:
 
Re: TORCHWOOD: Miracle Day episode two "Rendition" disscussions & comm

If I have a choice between trusting a vampire & trusting Rassilon, I'm going with the vampire! (Unless I have to say that to Rassilon's face. He might throw me in the Oubliet!)
 
Re: TORCHWOOD: Miracle Day episode two "Rendition" disscussions & comm

Total cremation is the answer, I think.
 
Re: TORCHWOOD: Miracle Day episode two "Rendition" disscussions & comm

I think one of the doctor mentioned that even individual cells were staying alive when they shouldn't, and judging by the way that arm at the end was moving, it's possible that the Miracle is also transmitting nerve impulses across disconnected bodyparts. So even atomizing someone would just make them into a free-floating cloud of pain. It'd solve the problems for everyone else with infections incubating and space requirements, but from a humanitarian perspective, it'd be a letter-perfect way of consigning someone to Hell.
 
Re: TORCHWOOD: Miracle Day episode two "Rendition" disscussions & comm

Has production fully wrapped so we know we'll get all episodes?

It's cable, you'll get the whole thing and that's even before you factor in that it's a co-production with international distribution.

the shmozzle that was the broadcast of Caprica on Syfy i.e cable would counter the first part :)

Still they showed it all eventually.
 
Re: TORCHWOOD: Miracle Day episode two "Rendition" disscussions & comm

My suspicion is that attempting to vaporize someone affected by the Miracle would result in the same thing that happened to Jack when he was exposed to radiation that should have vaporized him in "Utopia:" It just didn't happen, period. Similarly, I'd bet good money that if someone were to be cremated alive, they'd burn very badly, but just wouldn't burn quite enough for the brain to be consumed.
 
Re: TORCHWOOD: Miracle Day episode two "Rendition" disscussions & comm

Finally saw "Rendition" (stupid Spacecast) and thought it was really good. Pretty sure that there is some kind of advanced alien race behind this and that Wayne Knight is connected to them from some kind of front secret society organization.
 
Re: TORCHWOOD: Miracle Day episode two "Rendition" disscussions & comm

I think one of the doctor mentioned that even individual cells were staying alive when they shouldn't, and judging by the way that arm at the end was moving, it's possible that the Miracle is also transmitting nerve impulses across disconnected bodyparts. So even atomizing someone would just make them into a free-floating cloud of pain. It'd solve the problems for everyone else with infections incubating and space requirements, but from a humanitarian perspective, it'd be a letter-perfect way of consigning someone to Hell.

But then, how would you tell?

I do think showing the arm continuing to move even when it was separated from any nervous impulses making it do so opened up a whole other can of worms regarding how impossible it would be to kill anyone.

Still, I'm not sure total incineration wouldn't work. It was enough to kill Owen for good in "Exit Wounds."

I guess it depends on exactly where humanity is on the spectrum between Jack (who could regenerate even when completely blown to bits) and Owen (who was basically a walking corpse with no actual biological functions. He didn't age but he also couldn't heal).
 
Re: TORCHWOOD: Miracle Day episode two "Rendition" disscussions & comm

They seem closer to Owen, only with operating biological functions.
 
Re: TORCHWOOD: Miracle Day episode two "Rendition" disscussions & comm

You know what it feels like I'm watching? Doctor Who - 1996 Movie

Boy has Torchwood gone downhill
 
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