^ That's exactly how the EU started.
And they wonder why it's falling apart just about as quickly...
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And they wonder why it's falling apart just about as quickly...
^ <cough> democratic deficit <cough>
Interesting to see the Romulan War being wrapped up so quickly. I wonder if the books will stick to the NX-01 being decommissioned when TATV said it would, or if this too will be retconned.
Interesting to see the Romulan War being wrapped up so quickly. I wonder if the books will stick to the NX-01 being decommissioned when TATV said it would, or if this too will be retconned.
Yeah, I'm kinda surprised about the Romulan War series ending so soon too. I figured we would at least get a trilogy out of the war. I do agree with the posters up thread that the founding of the Federation deserves it's own book. That's just way to big of a thing to be deal with in the last few chapters of another book. I could see if it was started in To Brave The Storm, but the majority of it would need it's own book.
The birth of the Federation definitely needs its own book. It's not like the Founding Planets just up and said "Hey, let's unite!" one day (as demonstrated so aptly by Deranged Nasat 
). There had to have been all kinds of wheeling and dealing going on, fences that needed mending, grudges that needed to be satisfied, etc. Not to mention the possibility that anti-Federationists might try to sabotage the union because they're afraid of losing their positions of power, or they're afraid that they're just signing their worlds away to human dominance.
). There had to have been all kinds of wheeling and dealing going on, fences that needed mending, grudges that needed to be satisfied, etc. Not to mention the possibility that anti-Federationists might try to sabotage the union because they're afraid of losing their positions of power, or they're afraid that they're just signing their worlds away to human dominance.
^ That's exactly how the EU started.
And they wonder why it's falling apart just about as quickly...
Source?
Apart from a few economic issues that is also affecting the rest of the globe and began somewhere West of Europe and the normal infighting and disagreements, Europe is far from falling apart.
^ That's exactly how the EU started.
And they wonder why it's falling apart just about as quickly...
Maybe the Federation's famous lack of currency is to avoid the problems currently suffered by the Euro?
I'm so glad to hear some news about this novel . Christopher thank you so much for posting this news.
I can't wait to find out what happens on Vulcan after the cliffhanger in the last book and see how the story is continued in the book. I definitely the Founding of the Federation deserves it's own book too.
I don't mind the EU at all, it just formed so gradually and quietly, without the kind of alien sabotage I might expect from the forming of the Federation.
I suspect now that we know this book will lead past the Romulan War that we'll get into the formation of the Federation
^ That's exactly how the EU started.
And they wonder why it's falling apart just about as quickly...
Source?
Apart from a few economic issues that is also affecting the rest of the globe and began somewhere West of Europe and the normal infighting and disagreements, Europe is far from falling apart.
Well, not yet, anyway. But the European Union is certainly entering a very difficult phase right now. Greece is being forced by Germany and France, through the E.U., to adopt widely-despised austerity measures that the Greek populace as a whole opposes, and meanwhile, the Germans are resenting the hell out of the idea that they're expected the rescue the Greeks from their governments' bad decisions. And there are a lot of economists who think it's all for naught and that Greece will default on its loans and drag down Germany's, and, therefore, the rest of Europe's, economy with it. There's a very real question as to whether or not Greece will remain in the Eurozone, and whether the Eurozone itself will survive this crisis. And if the Eurozone does not, the continued viability of the European Union becomes an open question.
What we're seeing, in other words, is the inevitable result of countries joining a monetary union but not a fiscal union. It took the United States's states almost a hundred years and a civil war before they finally started to accept the idea that they were all in this together and had to stop being foreigners to one-another. It will be interesting to see if the European Union is able to survive -- or, if it does, if it ends up in a much-weakened form instead of becoming the super-state it was seemingly evolving into.
^ That's exactly how the EU started.
And they wonder why it's falling apart just about as quickly...
Maybe the Federation's famous lack of currency is to avoid the problems currently suffered by the Euro?
We saw the Federation use currency quite a bit in the TOS era, perhaps most famously when Uhura haggled with Cyrano Jones over how many Federation credits to pay for a tribble in "The Trouble With Tribbles." And several TOS episodes don't even make sense if there's no currency -- "Mudd's Women," "Journey to Babel," and "The Devil in the Dark." So the early Federation, at least, had currency.
I'm so glad to hear some news about this novel . Christopher thank you so much for posting this news.
I think the Founding of the Federation deserves its own novel, too, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how they'd be able to give it a novel of its own without it being a talky talky talky, action-less book a la Articles of the Federation. Which, I loved AotF, but it apparently didn't sell very well...
Source?
Apart from a few economic issues that is also affecting the rest of the globe and began somewhere West of Europe and the normal infighting and disagreements, Europe is far from falling apart.
Well, not yet, anyway. But the European Union is certainly entering a very difficult phase right now. Greece is being forced by Germany and France, through the E.U., to adopt widely-despised austerity measures that the Greek populace as a whole opposes, and meanwhile, the Germans are resenting the hell out of the idea that they're expected the rescue the Greeks from their governments' bad decisions. And there are a lot of economists who think it's all for naught and that Greece will default on its loans and drag down Germany's, and, therefore, the rest of Europe's, economy with it. There's a very real question as to whether or not Greece will remain in the Eurozone, and whether the Eurozone itself will survive this crisis. And if the Eurozone does not, the continued viability of the European Union becomes an open question.
What we're seeing, in other words, is the inevitable result of countries joining a monetary union but not a fiscal union. It took the United States's states almost a hundred years and a civil war before they finally started to accept the idea that they were all in this together and had to stop being foreigners to one-another. It will be interesting to see if the European Union is able to survive -- or, if it does, if it ends up in a much-weakened form instead of becoming the super-state it was seemingly evolving into.
Being that I live in the EU and I follow the news and events of it, I am fully aware of all that. You have some good points and we can always count on you to regurgitate a wiki post on a subject.
Source?
Apart from a few economic issues that is also affecting the rest of the globe and began somewhere West of Europe and the normal infighting and disagreements, Europe is far from falling apart.
Well, not yet, anyway. But the European Union is certainly entering a very difficult phase right now. Greece is being forced by Germany and France, through the E.U., to adopt widely-despised austerity measures that the Greek populace as a whole opposes, and meanwhile, the Germans are resenting the hell out of the idea that they're expected the rescue the Greeks from their governments' bad decisions. And there are a lot of economists who think it's all for naught and that Greece will default on its loans and drag down Germany's, and, therefore, the rest of Europe's, economy with it. There's a very real question as to whether or not Greece will remain in the Eurozone, and whether the Eurozone itself will survive this crisis. And if the Eurozone does not, the continued viability of the European Union becomes an open question.
What we're seeing, in other words, is the inevitable result of countries joining a monetary union but not a fiscal union. It took the United States's states almost a hundred years and a civil war before they finally started to accept the idea that they were all in this together and had to stop being foreigners to one-another. It will be interesting to see if the European Union is able to survive -- or, if it does, if it ends up in a much-weakened form instead of becoming the super-state it was seemingly evolving into.
Being that I live in the EU and I follow the news and events of it, I am fully aware of all that.
Then it was inaccurate of you to imply that the European Union is not facing a major crisis that threatens its long-term viability.
You have some good points and we can always count on you to regurgitate a wiki post on a subject.
Sorry to tell you this, but I didn't get any of that from any Wikipedia article. It's my actual opinion based on following the news coming out of Greece and Europe fairly closely the last few weeks.
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