Every time I don't think it's humanly possible for you to be more of a wet blanket in this thread, you go and prove me wrong.
The Muppets (2011)
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Every time I don't think it's humanly possible for you to be more of a wet blanket in this thread, you go and prove me wrong.
^What? It was a joke. I wanted to put a smiley there, but none of the available ones looked Muppet-monstery enough. (If there'd been a custom Grover smiley available, maybe the joke would've come across better.)
It may have come across better as a joke if a few of your other posts in this thread weren't an endless repeat of "too much parody / Muppets aren't about parody / Semel / I'm unimpressed," or being pedantic about other details.
I'm not saying your complaints are half-bad.
It may have come across better as a joke if a few of your other posts in this thread weren't an endless repeat of "too much parody / Muppets aren't about parody / Semel / I'm unimpressed," or being pedantic about other details.
I'm not saying your complaints are half-bad.
THEY'RE ALL BAD!
I don't think Christopher was trying to be negative or pedantic, I think he was genuinely trying to join in on Muppet-y fun and his humor just didn't read well.
It may have come across better as a joke if a few of your other posts in this thread weren't an endless repeat of "too much parody / Muppets aren't about parody / Semel / I'm unimpressed," or being pedantic about other details.
I'm not saying your complaints are half-bad.
THEY'RE ALL BAD!
I don't think Christopher was trying to be negative or pedantic, I think he was genuinely trying to join in on Muppet-y fun and his humor just didn't read well.
Well, he so rarely tries to have fun that it's an easy mistake to make.
^ Agreed. It can be difficult to tell when he's joking or serious since he rarely jokes.
I think this might be one of my dark horse films this fall/winter season. I was ready to write this off, I've not seen a Muppet movie in a long time but the trailer looks fun and this seems to have a lot of heart in it. I'm a fan of both Amy Adams and Jason Segal so will be checking this out.
I think this might be one of my dark horse films this fall/winter season. I was ready to write this off, I've not seen a Muppet movie in a long time but the trailer looks fun and this seems to have a lot of heart in it. I'm a fan of both Amy Adams and Jason Segal so will be checking this out.
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Its release date is November 23, so it's not really a summer movie.
@Timby...my bad. I have no idea why I thought it was a summer film.
We need to talk to Antony about this.THEY'RE ALL BAD!
Sorry, I don't mean to come off as such a grouch. Usually I'm the one saying that people shouldn't jump to the worst conclusions about something they haven't seen yet. It's just that I've been unhappy with the direction the Muppets have been going in recent years. Too much has been lost. Jim Henson and Richard Hunt and Jerry Juhl are dead, Frank Oz has moved on to other things, and the ensemble in recent Muppet productions is increasingly focused less on the classic Kermit/Fozzie/Piggy trio and more on the pet characters of the current lead Muppet performers -- Dave Goelz's Gonzo (which is fine, Gonzo is great, but he's no Kermit), Steve Whitmire's Rizzo the Rat (okay, but not one of the greats), and Bill Barretta's Pepe the Prawn (a character who annoys the hell out of me). And some recent Muppet productions have really disappointed me in the writing department. So I've been burned before and I'm worried about whether it's possible to recapture what's been lost. Doubt and worry can sometimes come off as bitterness and hostility, and if that's the tone I've been conveying, I'm sorry. I really do hope this movie turns out well, and the last moments of the "Green Lantern" teaser trailer did give me some hope, as I've already said.
As for getting Mr. Segel's name wrong, I'm sorry if that upsets you, though I'm puzzled why you'd react so strongly to it. I intend no slight against him, I'm simply not familiar with him. I never heard of him before I began reading this thread. As for why my mind is substituting "Semel" for "Segel," I think I must be confusing him with David Semel, whose name I've seen in the director and producer credits for various TV shows including Buffy, Angel, Heroes, and House. That name is more firmly imprinted in my subconscious from more frequent exposure, so it displaced the similar, more unfamiliar one.
I understand what you mean about the more recent (although that term seems inaccurate since it's been like 10 years since the last one) Muppets films. There has definitely been a strange change in what characters get focused on. One of the things that really bothered me is the lack of love story between Kermit and Piggy. In "The Muppets Take Manhattan," they get MARRIED! Whatever happened there? Did they get a divorce? In "Muppets from Space," Piggy wasn't even living with the rest of the gang anymore.
And as much as I love "A Muppet Christmas Carol" (it's easily my favorite version of that story), I didn't like that it started a trend of them telling non-real world Muppet stories (Treasure Island, Wizard of Oz, etc). I am really looking forward to this new movie because it seems like a return to form: the Muppets in the real world. And honestly, I don't think there is a single writer in Hollywood that I trust more to tell a Muppet story than Jason Segel.
And as much as I love "A Muppet Christmas Carol" (it's easily my favorite version of that story), I didn't like that it started a trend of them telling non-real world Muppet stories (Treasure Island, Wizard of Oz, etc). I am really looking forward to this new movie because it seems like a return to form: the Muppets in the real world. And honestly, I don't think there is a single writer in Hollywood that I trust more to tell a Muppet story than Jason Segel.
This trailer is more what Christopher wants, one that covers the film's plot, though it does start out a bit Dark Knight.
That trailer made me smile that whole way through. I love hearing Jason and Amy start to sing the opening to "The Muppet Show."
I think this movie is going to kill me with nostalgia.
Well, there's never really been much continuity between the Muppet movies. For instance, although materials that came out around and after Muppets from Space went with the "Gonzo is an alien" idea, these days he's back to just being a "whatever." Basically the idea is much like the conceit of Warner Bros. cartoons -- that Kermit, Fozzie, Gonzo, and the rest are actors playing characters in the movies, but have "real" lives of their own independent of what happens in the movies. (This was pretty explicit in The Great Muppet Caper, where Kermit and Fozzie told us in the opening number that they were playing newspaper reporters -- who also happened to be "identical twin" brothers.)
I hope you're right.
I don't know that I would trust him to right other things, necessarily, but based on the work of his that I've seen, I think that he and the Muppets are a perfect match.
I understand that, and I guess it might be up to your own interpretation, but I always believed that Kermit and Piggy really did get married at the end of "The Muppets Take Manhattan," mostly because Kermit seemed surprised that it was happening. They got married as part of the movie they were making, but I always got the sense that it was real, too.
Kermit and Piggy are just one of those TV/movie couples that I think are destined to be together, and it bothered me when they started pretending that their relationship didn't exist.
Honestly, I never really liked Piggy that much. She can be funny (it's hard for a Frank Oz character not to be hilarious), and her vulnerability can be sympathetic, and she's a pretty complex character, so I can recognize that there are a lot of things to like about her as a character; but the whole self-centered prima donna thing has always rubbed me the wrong way. And it always seemed to me on The Muppet Show that her interest in Kermit was not reciprocated. If it was played as more than that in the movies, that was just the story of the movie.
And as I recall The Muppets Take Manhattan, it was in the play within the film that they were supposed to be married, and in the film's reality that they were sneakily "actually" married. So it was Kermit the character in the film, the college graduate/Broadway wannabe, who was surprised by the fake marriage being real.
And as I recall The Muppets Take Manhattan, it was in the play within the film that they were supposed to be married, and in the film's reality that they were sneakily "actually" married. So it was Kermit the character in the film, the college graduate/Broadway wannabe, who was surprised by the fake marriage being real.
I have to admit, that new trailer put a smile on my face and made me excited for what's to come. It does really have that classic Muppet feel.