DC to REBOOT???

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

It is worth noting that Hellblazer, regardless of who publishes it (and, lets face it, it's all DC), takes place within the DCU (especially since John is apparently a character in one of the Justice League books).

Vertigo's Hellblazer doesn't take place within the DCU. The title started off in the DCU, but then split off when Vertigo was established. There's now going to be a DCU version of John Constantine and a Vertigo version, which will have different continuities.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

I have a slightly different interpretation. Reading the solicitations, I have the feeling that Action Comics #1 is a bridge book touching on how we get from pre-Flashpoint continuity to this relaunch (possibly through some Grant Morrison tour of the Multiverse). The phrases that leap out to me are "cornerstone of the entire DC Universe" for Action #1 and the clear note that Superman #1 (for sale several weeks after Action #1) is the actual beginning of Superman's new adventures.

Bleeding Cool theorizes that Action Comics is, basically, "Superman: Year One" to revamp the origin and Superman is present-day DCnU.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I have a slightly different interpretation. Reading the solicitations, I have the feeling that Action Comics #1 is a bridge book touching on how we get from pre-Flashpoint continuity to this relaunch (possibly through some Grant Morrison tour of the Multiverse). The phrases that leap out to me are "cornerstone of the entire DC Universe" for Action #1 and the clear note that Superman #1 (for sale several weeks after Action #1) is the actual beginning of Superman's new adventures.

Bleeding Cool theorizes that Action Comics is, basically, "Superman: Year One" to revamp the origin and Superman is present-day DCnU.

Interesting, I had a simillar thought and posted it on a different board.

 

[Broccoli]

It is worth noting that Hellblazer, regardless of who publishes it (and, lets face it, it's all DC), takes place within the DCU (especially since John is apparently a character in one of the Justice League books).

Vertigo's Hellblazer doesn't take place within the DCU. The title started off in the DCU, but then split off when Vertigo was established. There's now going to be a DCU version of John Constantine and a Vertigo version, which will have different continuities.

Wow. That won't be needlessly confusing.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

It is worth noting that Hellblazer, regardless of who publishes it (and, lets face it, it's all DC), takes place within the DCU (especially since John is apparently a character in one of the Justice League books).

Vertigo's Hellblazer doesn't take place within the DCU. The title started off in the DCU, but then split off when Vertigo was established. There's now going to be a DCU version of John Constantine and a Vertigo version, which will have different continuities.

Wow. That won't be needlessly confusing.

Marvel does it with the Punisher. The 616 Punisher and the Punisher Max Punisher are in two entirely different continuities.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It is worth noting that Hellblazer, regardless of who publishes it (and, lets face it, it's all DC), takes place within the DCU (especially since John is apparently a character in one of the Justice League books).

Vertigo's Hellblazer doesn't take place within the DCU. The title started off in the DCU, but then split off when Vertigo was established. There's now going to be a DCU version of John Constantine and a Vertigo version, which will have different continuities.

Wow. That won't be needlessly confusing.

If its says "Vertigo" on the covers its the Vertigo version. If it says "DC" is the DCU version. Seems simple enough.

 

[Lost Periphery]

It is worth noting that Hellblazer, regardless of who publishes it (and, lets face it, it's all DC), takes place within the DCU (especially since John is apparently a character in one of the Justice League books).

Vertigo's Hellblazer doesn't take place within the DCU. The title started off in the DCU, but then split off when Vertigo was established. There's now going to be a DCU version of John Constantine and a Vertigo version, which will have different continuities.

Wow. That won't be needlessly confusing.

To make it worse, Constantine would guest star in one of the late Swamp Thing runs, which would make mention of Capes. And of course, he had a thing with Zatanna . . .

 

[The Lensman]

Yeah, I'm gonna give this thing two years. At which point, Krona, Darkseid or the Anti-Monitor show up and we have "Crisis On Shitty Reboot Earth" and nuke the whole universe.

DC will then say "yes, we said there would be no reversals, and we sure made it seem like this was permanent....but it was all part of the plan. I mean, it's not like we didn't do this on a smaller scale when it was our intention to make Bart the Flash after one of our lame Crisis' like how Wally became the Flash for 22 years after THE Crisis.

And after it failed we claimed "it was all part of the plan", even thought we talked about a new era, a bold new direction, and everything we said backed that up. Then basically said that we all lied about all that because we were bringing Barry back (which was always part of the plan by the way) to divert attention to all our craptastic decisions of late and we needed something everyone (and by everyone we mean a tiny but vocal group of fans who couldn't move on for 22 years) could get excited about. Yeah, like that."

Yeah, like that. So you can expect to see "THE RETURN OF THE ORIGINAL UNIVERSE!!" "THE ORIGINAL SUPER-HEROES ARE BACK!!!!" in two years as a marketing ploy to take your attention off the monumental failure of DCnu. There'll be talk about how "it was all part of the plan" and how fans needed a break from all the familiar things to more appreciate them when they're brought back.

And the costumes? They suck. Jim Lee never left the fucking 90's and it's horrifically obvious that that is so. When George Perez can't make your Superman costume look cool...then you have a serious problem. The Wizard Superman costume looked cooler than this crap.

And seriously Rob Liefield?!?!?

 

[JoeZhang]

Yeah, I'm gonna give this thing two years. At which point, Krona, Darkseid or the Anti-Monitor show up and we have "Crisis On Shitty Reboot Earth" and nuke the whole universe.

DC will then say "yes, we said there would be no reversals, and we sure made it seem like this was permanent....but it was all part of the plan. I mean, it's not like we didn't do this on a smaller scale when it was our intention to make Bart the Flash after one of our lame Crisis' like how Wally became the Flash for 22 years after THE Crisis.

I can't see it - the corporate aim is to increase the volume of units sold and to create a revenue stream from digital readers to replace the declining and failing Direct Market - if that does not happen, why would they want to return to a model that has already failed? Moreover if this does fail, John, Lee and Didio would all be out of a job and I doubt their replacement would want to re-heat their previous failures.

I think for better or worse this is it - sure some elements of the old might creep in over time, but I doubt we will ever see the current version of the DCU again, not as the 'main' universe.

 

[TemporalFlux]

If its says "Vertigo" on the covers its the Vertigo version. If it says "DC" is the DCU version. Seems simple enough.

Which version is the Keanu Reeves continuity?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Vertigo's Hellblazer doesn't take place within the DCU. The title started off in the DCU, but then split off when Vertigo was established. There's now going to be a DCU version of John Constantine and a Vertigo version, which will have different continuities.

Wow. That won't be needlessly confusing.

To make it worse, Constantine would guest star in one of the late Swamp Thing runs, which would make mention of Capes. And of course, he had a thing with Zatanna . . .

TPTB, will incorporate as much or as little of Constantine's Vertigo continuity into the DCU version as they feel the need to. Peter Milligan is writing both versions, I'm sure he can keep them straight

 

[Hound of UIster]

Yeah, I'm gonna give this thing two years. At which point, Krona, Darkseid or the Anti-Monitor show up and we have "Crisis On Shitty Reboot Earth" and nuke the whole universe.

DC will then say "yes, we said there would be no reversals, and we sure made it seem like this was permanent....but it was all part of the plan. I mean, it's not like we didn't do this on a smaller scale when it was our intention to make Bart the Flash after one of our lame Crisis' like how Wally became the Flash for 22 years after THE Crisis.

I can't see it - the corporate aim is to increase the volume of units sold and to create a revenue stream from digital readers to replace the declining and failing Direct Market - if that does not happen, why would they want to return to a model that has already failed? Moreover if this does fail, John, Lee and Didio would all be out of a job and I doubt their replacement would want to re-heat their previous failures.

I think for better or worse this is it - sure some elements of the old might creep in over time, but I doubt we will ever see the current version of the DCU again, not as the 'main' universe.

I don't think the WB overlords that pull the strings of the current decision-makers at DC Comics care a whit about the publishing. Like you said it isn't a huge money earner rather they are interested in the outside licensing: the movies, toys, games and cartoons which bring in the real movie.

 

[JoeZhang]

Yeah, I'm gonna give this thing two years. At which point, Krona, Darkseid or the Anti-Monitor show up and we have "Crisis On Shitty Reboot Earth" and nuke the whole universe.

DC will then say "yes, we said there would be no reversals, and we sure made it seem like this was permanent....but it was all part of the plan. I mean, it's not like we didn't do this on a smaller scale when it was our intention to make Bart the Flash after one of our lame Crisis' like how Wally became the Flash for 22 years after THE Crisis.

I can't see it - the corporate aim is to increase the volume of units sold and to create a revenue stream from digital readers to replace the declining and failing Direct Market - if that does not happen, why would they want to return to a model that has already failed? Moreover if this does fail, John, Lee and Didio would all be out of a job and I doubt their replacement would want to re-heat their previous failures.

I think for better or worse this is it - sure some elements of the old might creep in over time, but I doubt we will ever see the current version of the DCU again, not as the 'main' universe.

I don't think the WB overlords that pull the strings of the current decision-makers at DC Comics care a whit about the publishing. Like you said it isn't a huge money earner rather they are interested in the outside licensing: the movies, toys, games and cartoons which bring in the real movie.

right - which is why I think it's a mistake to concentrate too much on the in-universe changes, it's *why* they are occurring that is the important bit.

I don't even think this move is about now, it about 2015 or 2017 or some other point based on data that DC have that indicates that the DM will not be worth their time. This is the exit strategy (or at the very least an attempt to gain a revenue stream to off-set the decline of the DM).

 

[Snick27]

Hey is there any sites i can go to read these comics. They dont sell comics where i live at so i cant buy them.

I like to read Flashpoint if i could.

Thank you

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

This excites me for the new "Action Comics".

While Grant Morrison is hit or miss for me, I loved "All-Star Superman" and my favorite iteration of the character is the early, 1930s-40s, liberal-social crusader Superman.

 

[Smiley]

Superman has glowing red eyes on both of his new #1 issues. That may make sense if one reads the stories, but it is not something that is going to help make the launches appealing to the new or casual reader.

 

[The Lensman]

This excites me for the new "Action Comics".

While Grant Morrison is hit or miss for me, I loved "All-Star Superman" and my favorite iteration of the character is the early, 1930s-40s, liberal-social crusader Superman.

Ditto for me. And in this age of runaway corporate power, we need someone fighting for the average joe again.

However, I'm thinking my days of collecting comics on a monthly basis may be over. About the only comic that really interests me is Jack Staff, and mainly because it's A) like getting an entire comic universe in one book and B) it's how you do modern comics with an old school vibe and C).....it's ALWAYS fun!

Too bad it doesn't come out regularly these days.

 

[theenglish]

So, what happens with the Vertigo line anyway? Do we know?

 

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

So, what happens with the Vertigo line anyway? Do we know?

For now it continues on as normal, except it's going to be focused solely on creator-owned books (with the expection of Hellblazer).

 

[Snick27]

So what is Flashpoint? Im kind of confused. Ive tracked down the first issue and totally lost here.


I no there was Crisis , then Zero Hour but lost on the others and whats happening now.