I'm surprised there is no porn version of it. Han came first.
STAR WARS PREQUELS - a love/hate relationship
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You gotta salt and burn the bones, that's what everybody forgets.
Well, people are irrational. But
Wouldn't that be trolling?
Re: I love the Star Wars prequels!
You don't have to explain yourself. Just say "Bugger off, I like the PT", or something to that extent.
One of the great things about the internet is that you can choose to feel totally indifferent to the way someone treats you.
You don't have to explain yourself. Just say "Bugger off, I like the PT", or something to that extent.
One of the great things about the internet is that you can choose to feel totally indifferent to the way someone treats you.
Re: I love the Star Wars prequels!
Perhaps. However, I was pointing out the difference in reactions when faced with either a fan or a critic of the PT. Dislike of the prequels seems to be assumed, so those people are never asked "Why don't you like these movies?" Fans, on the other hand, are always asked how they can possibly like such horrible movies. Look back at the two statements I quoted earlier today. It's not a simple disagreement in taste.
Perhaps. However, I was pointing out the difference in reactions when faced with either a fan or a critic of the PT. Dislike of the prequels seems to be assumed, so those people are never asked "Why don't you like these movies?" Fans, on the other hand, are always asked how they can possibly like such horrible movies. Look back at the two statements I quoted earlier today. It's not a simple disagreement in taste.
Re: I love the Star Wars prequels!
I'm not a Star Wars fan, so I don't know what the "orthodoxy" is - they don't let me attend meetings. I just know that there are two-and-a-half SW movies that don't bore my ass off.
I'm not a Star Wars fan, so I don't know what the "orthodoxy" is - they don't let me attend meetings. I just know that there are two-and-a-half SW movies that don't bore my ass off.
Re: I love the Star Wars prequels!
We meet every fourth Tuesday at George's house. There are cookies.
We meet every fourth Tuesday at George's house. There are cookies.
I'm a die hard Star Wars fan who enjoys all of the movies pretty much the same. I have been and always will like the OT more, particularly TESB and ROTJ, since those are the movies I grew up on but I never hated the PT and found them all to have at least some things I liked about each one of them. My biggest issues with the PT mostly have to do with the fact that they weren't quite as I envisioned though I have to admit that I didn't see the big "twist" with the Clone Army in AOTC and the foreshadowing it set up to explain how the Jedi Order was ultimately destroyed was rather ingenious IMHO.
TPM: I was the most excited to see this one but was extremely lost on some of the characters and concepts introduced in the film. Sith? Midichlorians? Naboo? Of the three PT films, this was my least favorite of them but it had stunning visuals and a great John Williams score. Note: Listen carefully to the Naboo celebration music at the end of the movie and you'll notice some interesting foreshadowing.
AOTC: Loved most of the movie except the cringeworthy romantic scenes between Anakin and Padme. This could have and should have been handled MUCH MUCH better. OTOH just about everything else in the film was really good, including the aformentioned "twist" involving the Clones. Also, I hadn't known that Christopher Lee would become part of the series and liked his new character and his duel with Yoda at the end. Oh, and loved how they snuck in the Imperial March at the end foreshadowing how the Galactic Empire ultimately came about.
ROTS: One of the best of the PT movies and actually one of my third favorite Star Wars movies (TESB and ROTJ being the first two). There were a few things I would've done differently and I really didn't like the closure to Padme's character but it was thrilling conclusion to the PT. I also loved how the confrontation between Anakin, Palpatine, and Mace "mirrored" the confrontation between Anakin/Vader, Palpatine, and Luke in ROTJ and how each confrontation ended differently in regards to Anakin/Vader's choices.
TPM: I was the most excited to see this one but was extremely lost on some of the characters and concepts introduced in the film. Sith? Midichlorians? Naboo? Of the three PT films, this was my least favorite of them but it had stunning visuals and a great John Williams score. Note: Listen carefully to the Naboo celebration music at the end of the movie and you'll notice some interesting foreshadowing.
AOTC: Loved most of the movie except the cringeworthy romantic scenes between Anakin and Padme. This could have and should have been handled MUCH MUCH better. OTOH just about everything else in the film was really good, including the aformentioned "twist" involving the Clones. Also, I hadn't known that Christopher Lee would become part of the series and liked his new character and his duel with Yoda at the end. Oh, and loved how they snuck in the Imperial March at the end foreshadowing how the Galactic Empire ultimately came about.
ROTS: One of the best of the PT movies and actually one of my third favorite Star Wars movies (TESB and ROTJ being the first two). There were a few things I would've done differently and I really didn't like the closure to Padme's character but it was thrilling conclusion to the PT. I also loved how the confrontation between Anakin, Palpatine, and Mace "mirrored" the confrontation between Anakin/Vader, Palpatine, and Luke in ROTJ and how each confrontation ended differently in regards to Anakin/Vader's choices.
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Re: I love the Star Wars prequels!
Yeah, when you guys get out the Ewok costumes and the lederhosen I'm leaving.
My avatar can eat your avatar whole.
Yeah, when you guys get out the Ewok costumes and the lederhosen I'm leaving.
My avatar can eat your avatar whole.
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGTrWlzK3Ho[/yt]
What's the diff?
I forgot to mention that in my list yesterday. If you don't know the story you think that TPM has a happy ending, with the Naboo and Gungans dancing around and celebrating. In reality, of course, the seeds for the destruction of the Republic have just been laid. Very cool.
The parade music at the end of TPM is a faster arrangement of the Emperor's Theme from RotJ.
Evolution.
The prequels were very careful in showing us the evolution of technology. Ships that looked like tie fighters, x-wings and star destroyers appeared but in a less developed or modified fashions. Precursors to the ships we would see in IV-V-VI.
The holographic projects where colorless, whereas in IV-V-VI they are in color.
Anakin's artificial arm looks very robotic whereas in TESB, Luke is given a very real looking hand.
This was great but for one thing:
At the end of Rev. of the Sith, Darth Vader appears in the same outfit he did in the original StarWars. Furthermore he sounds nothing like Anakin. Sure the mask would muffle hisvoice, but would it change your speaking accent also?
A different Vader outfit should have been used and the voice should have been a more mechanical Anakin voice. We saw the precursors of the stormtroopers in different armor, so why not Vader?
Some 20 years pass between Sith and A New Hope, yet Vader remained the same, sounds the same, looks the same.
There was no evolution of Vader as a character, and quite frankly I found it hard to accept that Vader at the end of Sith was the former Anakin Skywalker. He just came across as Vader from A new Hope.
The prequels were very careful in showing us the evolution of technology. Ships that looked like tie fighters, x-wings and star destroyers appeared but in a less developed or modified fashions. Precursors to the ships we would see in IV-V-VI.
The holographic projects where colorless, whereas in IV-V-VI they are in color.
Anakin's artificial arm looks very robotic whereas in TESB, Luke is given a very real looking hand.
This was great but for one thing:
At the end of Rev. of the Sith, Darth Vader appears in the same outfit he did in the original StarWars. Furthermore he sounds nothing like Anakin. Sure the mask would muffle hisvoice, but would it change your speaking accent also?
A different Vader outfit should have been used and the voice should have been a more mechanical Anakin voice. We saw the precursors of the stormtroopers in different armor, so why not Vader?
Some 20 years pass between Sith and A New Hope, yet Vader remained the same, sounds the same, looks the same.
There was no evolution of Vader as a character, and quite frankly I found it hard to accept that Vader at the end of Sith was the former Anakin Skywalker. He just came across as Vader from A new Hope.
If Vader had been anything other than Vader as he's always been a lot more people would have complained about it.
I think a lot of people found Vader's appearance at the end of Sith to be a joke. Especially his "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!" at the news of Padme's death.
Re: I love the Star Wars prequels!
That's not always easy to do, especially when the person treating you that way, just won't STOP. Or if you are so far in the minority that your opinion is not treated as worthy of existence (try being a fan of the original BSG, for example, and then go to this board's BSG forum and open your mouth).
And the internet is not a cure-all to pain. Many times, insults can hurt just as much if they're words on a screen as if they were spoken directly.
That's not always easy to do, especially when the person treating you that way, just won't STOP. Or if you are so far in the minority that your opinion is not treated as worthy of existence (try being a fan of the original BSG, for example, and then go to this board's BSG forum and open your mouth).
And the internet is not a cure-all to pain. Many times, insults can hurt just as much if they're words on a screen as if they were spoken directly.
There's nothing to be done about it, and it's not the actual infliction of injury. We're all completely free.
Re: I love the Star Wars prequels!
Dude, I am a big fan of the original BSG. The new one doesnt even come close IMO. For one, ever notice how "Advanced" the new BSG is supposed to be, yet some of it's characters wear eyeglasses. So these people are capable of interstellar travel but have yet to discover lasik surgery?
Dude, I am a big fan of the original BSG. The new one doesnt even come close IMO. For one, ever notice how "Advanced" the new BSG is supposed to be, yet some of it's characters wear eyeglasses. So these people are capable of interstellar travel but have yet to discover lasik surgery?
^ But you wouldn't dare say that in the BSG forum, would you? Not if your idea of a good time isn't being shouted down and basically forced into silence. It'd be like showing up at Dodger Stadium wearing Giants gear.
This SW thing is very similar. It really is like InklingStar relates: there is an orthodoxy, a majority opinion, from which one deviates only at their own risk. You must hate the PT; you must hate the Special Editions of the OT; etc. etc. For some brave souls, they have sufficient skills in argument that they can overcome that 'tyranny of the majority', but others are not so lucky.
And yes, I do prefer the SE's. Anyone got a problem with that? Check out the Bob Kelso clip I just posted.
This SW thing is very similar. It really is like InklingStar relates: there is an orthodoxy, a majority opinion, from which one deviates only at their own risk. You must hate the PT; you must hate the Special Editions of the OT; etc. etc. For some brave souls, they have sufficient skills in argument that they can overcome that 'tyranny of the majority', but others are not so lucky.
And yes, I do prefer the SE's. Anyone got a problem with that? Check out the Bob Kelso clip I just posted.
This is just another forum on the Internet. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and no one's smells any better than any others.
If being "shouted down" online is intimidating to you, then you have other issues at hand.
check this out:
The Psychology of Cyberspace
...it's an interesting read.
As a professional troll, all I do is toss the bone. It's the dogs that fight over it...and I sit back an enjoy the show, especially over something as lame as BSG.
I believe that the main problem is this:
Loudly declaring that you LIKE something is seen as positive and life-affirming, and lifts everyone up.
However, loudly declaring that you HATE something is seen as an insult and implicit threat to all those who like the thing that you just said you hate. This is because hatred is inherently poisonous and violent.
And about being shouted down: If those who actively control (moderate) a forum, or even the entire board, have an opinion that you do not, that is a very real problem...
Loudly declaring that you LIKE something is seen as positive and life-affirming, and lifts everyone up.
However, loudly declaring that you HATE something is seen as an insult and implicit threat to all those who like the thing that you just said you hate. This is because hatred is inherently poisonous and violent.
And about being shouted down: If those who actively control (moderate) a forum, or even the entire board, have an opinion that you do not, that is a very real problem...
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