Technically, V'Ger isn't a villain per se. Neither is the Humpack Whale Probe from IV. They're just pre-programmed automatons doing what they were sent to do. But they FILL the roles of villains in their respective movies.
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Leaving aside human/moral imperatives, undoubtedly V'ger as greatest foe. But for humanoid, only one (and we all know who...)
Khan, the Borg Queen, and V'Ger walk into a bar...
Ahem....
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
LOL, who the hell is that?
I think Chang too, and he gave Kirk that look when two longstanding enemies finally meet (so that's what the hell you look like). I'd so like to know how he lost his eye. Some fictionists suggest Chang hails from the House of Duras. It would explain a lot.General Chang- "I can see you Kirk. Can you see me?"
Of all the TNG movie villains I must admit to having a weakness for Dr. Soran in GENERATIONS. The Borg Queen could be creepy and effective at times, but could also be waaaaay over-the-top. Shinzon was too empathetic and disappointing. Ru'afo was never villainous enough for my tastes.
Something about Soran's vendetta and quest to return to the Nexus really struck me as being more believable.
Something about Soran's vendetta and quest to return to the Nexus really struck me as being more believable.
I'll never get what people see in the pathetic caricature that is Khan. He's an uncharismatic idiot that we're told is a charismatic genius whose plans only work due to stupidity on our heroes' parts out of dramatic necessity.
Chang, no question. He was the only good movie villain out of all 11 movies (that is, the only good *villain*. While I personally found TMP boring, V'ger was interesting.)
Chang, no question. He was the only good movie villain out of all 11 movies (that is, the only good *villain*. While I personally found TMP boring, V'ger was interesting.)
My vote is for the Probe(tm), for its mysterious quality, and for not being a typical heavy. I suppose the Probe is V'Ger done better.
My second choice would be Kruge, coldest of Klingons, he who Kirk has truly had enough of.
Khan is cool, yes, but Kruge was scarier IMO.
Tough question.
My second choice would be Kruge, coldest of Klingons, he who Kirk has truly had enough of.
Khan is cool, yes, but Kruge was scarier IMO.
Tough question.
Kruge could be SPORADICALLY threatening. But to be frank, every time I see him all I think of is Doc Brown or Reverend Jim with head ridges.
"When this Bird-of-Prey hits Warp 8.8...you're gonna see some serious shit."
"When this Bird-of-Prey hits Warp 8.8...you're gonna see some serious shit."
Khan, but Chang is a close second.
Is that anything like the world's tallest midget?
Kruge could be SPORADICALLY threatening. But to be frank, every time I see him all I think of is Doc Brown or Reverend Jim with head ridges.
"When this Bird-of-Prey hits Warp 8.8...you're gonna see some serious shit."
"Great Kahless!"
Would that mean his targ was named Einstein?
Khan followed by Chang.
Humanity, eh?
I got to agree.
After all, who is more human than KHAAAAN?
Second place to Chang, though. Christopher Plummer exudes an icy menace in the entire dinner exchange, and his interrogation of Kirk is great even if his quotation spree gets a trifle more campy then Khan's near the end (McCoy's dead on the money here).
Third place? I'll continue being so obvious as to be asinine and I'll anoint the Borg Queen. As problematic as the Queen proves for the Borg concept, and as ridiculously cagey as the film is regarding what the Queen is, Alice Krige plays the part with seductive intensity.
And that's actually where the good villains of the film franchise end. Nero and Shinzon are our bald crazy stupid annoying Romulan-leading villians, then there's the filler Klingons like Kruge, Klaa, Lursa and B'Etor, and the pack are rounded out by the plain terrible ideas of Sybok and Ru'afo. Malcolm McDowell chews his role as Soren well enough, dwelling on his rambling about time and death, but he's a pretty small villain for the ultimate tag team to take down and feels more then a little underthought.
This leaves the Probe and V'Ger, neither of whom are really villains at all - just strange alien things that need their wishes properly understood, and their own confusion could threaten the human race. Of the two, V'Ger is by far the better, but then, it is the entire focus of the movie while the Probe is a Rama-induced rehash as an excuse to use a time travel plot.
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