I thought she had died when her soul was sucked out to get the TARDIS. Either way, she was gone by the time the Doctor arrived.
6x04 The Doctor's Wife(Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!!)
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So we now know that the TARDIS loves the Doctor and her unreliability is deliberate. We already know that River can pilot the TARDIS with much greater skill than the Doctor. Therefore we must conclude that the TARDIS simply likes the way River touches her better than the way the Doctor touches her. We also already know how River feels about the Doctor. Slashfic writers, start your engines.
Watched it twice. Last night after getting in and being a tad drunk, loved it then. Watched it again earlier, took for of it in and it was brilliant.
Pretty much all what I have to say on the episode. It was a hell of a lot better than last weeks and those saying that nothing happened in it should really have their faculties checked out.
Pretty much all what I have to say on the episode. It was a hell of a lot better than last weeks and those saying that nothing happened in it should really have their faculties checked out.
It's the only episode thus far this series that I intend to re-watch. I kept dozing off during the pirates episode, missed most of the middle and can't be bothered watching that one at all. This one was bloody good. But hey, taste is subjective and blah, blah, blah.
I voted Geronimo, I might revise my opinion on a second viewing but last night I loved it. At the end of the day I get what some have said about the story being thin, but that was what was so brilliant about it for me. A fairly straightforward story exceptionally well told that managed to be spooky, funny, clever and interesting on a faily low budget (which is the reason the Ood was used, Gaiman originally had an original alien till the producers pointed out that an Ood would be cheaper and could perform the same function.) Also the first episode this series that actually seemed a proper fit for the length.
Best episode this year by a mile, and probably a three way tie for me as to which is the best 11 ep between this, Vincent and the 11th Hour.
Smith and Jones were both brilliant here, what a shame we're unlikely to ever see Idris again.
Best episode this year by a mile, and probably a three way tie for me as to which is the best 11 ep between this, Vincent and the 11th Hour.
Smith and Jones were both brilliant here, what a shame we're unlikely to ever see Idris again.
Sorry but I disagree, the TARDIS takes the Doctor where he needs to be. So if River is piloting the TARDIS, why does the TARDIS need to take her other than where she wants to go. And we have seen from time to time the TARDIS going where the Doctor wanted to go.
If that's the case, I'm sorry but IMO your standards are impossible to attain.
No, I'm afraid it doesn't. This episode singlehandedly answered a good dozen longstanding questions - and not just fanwank, but substantial, plot-related, show-will-never-be-the-same revelations, ranging from finally confirming the TARDIS is a living being, to explaining why the smartest man in the universe can't figure out how pilot her with 100% reliability ... tons of stuff; and let's not even touch the fact endless possibilities were opened by revealing Time Lords can change genders. I started a thread on the things we learned, and on rewatching the episode I found a half-dozen more things I missed (several of which I missed because someone phoned during a scene and diverted my attention for less than 30 seconds).
What exactly is your interpretation of "learn"?
Anyway, I wasn't posting to reply to the above comments - I just couldn't let them pass. What I was going to comment on is I wonder if all viewers were actually able to hear the TARDIS say "I love you" as Idris' body vanished? I did not hear it on the Space broadcast, nor did I hear it when I watched the streaming version on Space's website just now. Yet the YouTube clip of the final minutes, taken from the BBC One broadcast, it was clear as day. Was it hard to hear on BBC America as well?
Alex
yes they mentioned that on Confidentail, they should avoid doing that again
then again im pretty sure they did the same with the Presidents ship in the BSG pilot.
yes they mentioned that on Confidentail, they should avoid doing that again
then again im pretty sure they did the same with the Presidents ship in the BSG pilot.
Obviously the BBC was just using whatever set/building they had at the moment, but it would be cool to find out the TARDIS "absorbed" structures from time to time if it was bored.
Wow, that's the most mesmerized I've been by a DW episode in a long while. After the utterly conventional episode we got last week, this was the most UNconventional episode we could possibly have (it kind of reminds me of the mental whiplash I got from watching Yesterday's Enterprise that first time).
And I know most people are discussing all the new TARDIS revelations, but personally I just loved the whole strange, weird setting of the piece-- an old, dark junkyard outside the universe as we know it, with odd, patchwork characters babbling strange nonsense and being possessed by some mysterious being? Where the Doctor has no freakin clue what's going on? Awesome. I wish the writers would deposit our characters in MORE of those kind of places.
My only small disappointment was that we finally saw more of the TARDIS... and it was just a bunch of long, generic corridors. I know there's more to it than that, and it's what this particular story required, but I was still hoping to get a glimpse of some other grand, fantastical places.
Loved seeing the old console room though.
And I know most people are discussing all the new TARDIS revelations, but personally I just loved the whole strange, weird setting of the piece-- an old, dark junkyard outside the universe as we know it, with odd, patchwork characters babbling strange nonsense and being possessed by some mysterious being? Where the Doctor has no freakin clue what's going on? Awesome. I wish the writers would deposit our characters in MORE of those kind of places.
My only small disappointment was that we finally saw more of the TARDIS... and it was just a bunch of long, generic corridors. I know there's more to it than that, and it's what this particular story required, but I was still hoping to get a glimpse of some other grand, fantastical places.
Loved seeing the old console room though.
He's done that at least twice that I can recall off the top of my head - "The Eleventh Hour" when he invites Amy aboard, and "Day of the Moon" right after he's released from his chains inside that prison. He was also snapping his fingers in this episode when he was trying to open the doors to get Amy and Rory out. Anyone else notice that? I thought it was funny, the sonic didn't work so he tried that.
I like the way you think.
Word.
Not really. The show's managed to do it before. Again, could do better.
Well, the things we 'learnt' in this episode won't really effect the series at all.
Show will never be the same revelations?? Pffffttt
I think that was confirmed before. And it's a dumb idea.
That's been explained before. Normally you need a bunch of time-lords to pilot the TARDIS but The Doctor is only one man. And he doesn't really know how to operate it properly And he failed his TARDIS drivers test as well.
A dumb idea but moving on...
And all sailing ships are female too!! Because sailors call them 'her'! And cars are female too! And other machines that people drive.
Just because a machine is called she or her by a person, does not make it female. And just because the TARDIS inhabitted a woman for a brief time does not make the TARDIS female either.
*sigh*
*facepalm*
*claps*
Way to ruin the original premise...
Ok, that was cool.
Oh, pretty much the dictionary definition.
What did we learn from that episode? erm...
nothing of relevance.
The Time lords can change genders... That would be a nice thing to know, if they hadn't been killed off.
The Tardis finds Rory pretty. Woop-de-fucking-doo...
Was that meant to pass for humour?? For fuck sakes..
There was one other thing that always bugs me. Anytime they refer back to the Doctor stealing the TARDIS, he seems to be depicted as this rebellious, energetic, free spirit type-- which would make perfect sense if it were the 10th or 11th Doctor that stole it.
But from the episodes I've seen with Hartnell's 1st Doctor, that's not exactly the impression I get of him. He seemed to be this grumpy, old-fashioned authoritarian type who had little patience for "tomfoolery" and running off on adventures. It seemed like he was usually just along for the ride, or making the best of the situation he was stuck in.
Granted, I haven't seen every 1st Doctor episode, but somehow it still doesn't quite add up for me.
But from the episodes I've seen with Hartnell's 1st Doctor, that's not exactly the impression I get of him. He seemed to be this grumpy, old-fashioned authoritarian type who had little patience for "tomfoolery" and running off on adventures. It seemed like he was usually just along for the ride, or making the best of the situation he was stuck in.
Granted, I haven't seen every 1st Doctor episode, but somehow it still doesn't quite add up for me.
he startetd out as a rebellious type, but got grumpy again.
The 1st Doctor had a rebellious and adventurous streak. Often, Ian and Barabara would urge him to get back to the TARDIS and leave when he wants to go explore. At one time, he even sabotages the TARDIS in order to get to explore (in The Daleks, no less). So, he was grumpy, but also rebellious and mischievous.
Hmm, maybe that's it. I always just assumed he was about Hartnell's age when he ran off, but obviously it could have been much earlier.
Looks can be deceiving. While Hartnell looked the oldest, he was the youngest of the Doctors and probably rather young by Timelord standards.
By the way, who is Neil Gaiman? And why should I care??