TOS-R question...

[Warped9]

The idea of a galactic barrier didn't originate with TOS. As I understand it it was an idea floating around in those years.

No I wouldn't have actually spliced two original sequences together for TOS-R, although that could have been done in 1967. No, today I would think in those terms conceptually only now I'd be using a cgi model of complete starship and planet killer that still looked like the originals. And in that way they could be viewed in HD right alongside the live-action footage.

 

[MANT!]

I can solve this entire thing..let's get together someplace, meet at a bar...

and discuss this like civilized people...

 

[Warped9]

I can solve this entire thing..let's get together someplace, meet at a bar...

and discuss this like civilized people...

If it's been "enhanced" already then I'm not going.

 

[GNDN]

The bar or the people?

I wouldn't mind getting "enhanced" a little right now

 

[Tallguy]

firstly, too time consuming and secondly its NOT HD.

It's still 35mm film. So it's as HD as the live action.

Why do people insist on BLUE phasers, like those are correct? Blue phasers weren't introduced until mid-way through the second season. Why aren't the red (or purple) phasers considered the right ones?

 

[BillJ]

firstly, too time consuming and secondly its NOT HD.

It's still 35mm film. So it's as HD as the live action.

Why do people insist on BLUE phasers, like those are correct? Blue phasers weren't introduced until mid-way through the second season. Why aren't the red (or purple) phasers considered the right ones?

I always liked to think that different colors represented different settings.

 

[Brian]

Because Star Wars taught them that blue=good and red=evil.

 

[GNDN]

Because Star Wars taught them that blue=good and red=evil.

Haha, does this mean that all the movie and TNG-era phasers have to get re-colored blue now to fix continuity? Damn TOS screwing it up for everybody else again

 

[David cgc]

Because Star Wars taught them that blue=good and red=evil.

Not for spaceship lasers. Red=good, green=evil.

 

[Brian]

Aw, damn. Now I don't know who to root for!

 

[Tallguy]

Aw, damn. Now I don't know who to root for!

The Bears?

 

[GNDN]

Who gave phasers to The Bears? The Klingons?

Different color phaser fire was never a problem for me, and that the colors indicated different power or beam settings does seem like a definite possibility. Witness the greenish pulse of the phasers on stun in "A Piece of the Action" which was also preserved for TOS-R.

I was going to comment on the 'blue flame' from "The Paradise Syndrome". When TOS-R was first syndicated, the beam from the temple was no longer blue, and fan conjecture at the time was that the color was changed specifically to be different than the Enterprise's now consistently blue phasers. I've never heard the official response from CBS Digital about that, but I am happy to see that the 'blue flame' is once again blue on the blu-ray release!

Heeeyyyy, maybe that's the reason behind the blue phaser rays... blue rays... blu-ray, yeah, that's the ticket! ST again predicts future tech. Somebody check the HD-DVDs, I bet they're red there! Good vs. Evil indeed

 

[RAMA]

The idea of a galactic barrier didn't originate with TOS. As I understand it it was an idea floating around in those years.

No I wouldn't have actually spliced two original sequences together for TOS-R, although that could have been done in 1967. No, today I would think in those terms conceptually only now I'd be using a cgi model of complete starship and planet killer that still looked like the originals. And in that way they could be viewed in HD right alongside the live-action footage.

That's what I mean, scientists argued over the issue, in later years the idea of a barrier as presented in TOS was dismissed, but there is a halo of globular clusters and most likely a dark matter "barrier" at the edge of the galaxy.

Its very easy and comforting to say this but also wrong. I wouldn't post on the subject except the issue still comes up.

There's no outstanding "issues" to be resolved requiring your continued repetitive input.

Some people like them better, some people don't.

There's the answer. Case closed.

Opinions may always differ, what's not an opinion is the demonstrable difference in quality in the remastered FX in every technical measure imaginable. Of course there are still people who dispute this. Artistically, you may have more of a leg to stand on but not much.

firstly, too time consuming and secondly its NOT HD.

It's still 35mm film. So it's as HD as the live action.

True enough, I should have specified that the original analog created FX, as filmed, as composited and as created in the 60s were not up to the HD remastering, despite being on film.


RAMA

 

[Freman]

Did they redo the Galactic Barrier? Anyone have shots of that?

 

[Warped9]

Did they redo the Galactic Barrier? Anyone have shots of that?

Yes they did. If you go to Trekcore.com you can see screen shots of "Where No Man Has Gone Before" in both original and TOS-R versions.

I, for one, didn't care for how they redid the galactic barrier and the sequences within it. I think it could be redone, but I wasn't impressed with how they did it. It wasn't just the barrier itself but also how the ship was shown within it.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I miss the brushfire effect.

 

[RAMA]

Did they redo the Galactic Barrier? Anyone have shots of that?

Yes they did. If you go to Trekcore.com you can see screen shots of "Where No Man Has Gone Before" in both original and TOS-R versions.

I, for one, didn't care for how they redid the galactic barrier and the sequences within it. I think it could be redone, but I wasn't impressed with how they did it. It wasn't just the barrier itself but also how the ship was shown within it.

I don't see how you can seriously say that....it was far more believable and fluid, and I felt several shots of the Enterprise were movie-like.

The first shot of the edge of the galactic disk is worth the price of admission alone by comparison to the old.

http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03hd/wherenomanhasgonebeforehd001.jpg

Did they redo the Galactic Barrier? Anyone have shots of that?

Yes they did. If you go to Trekcore.com you can see screen shots of "Where No Man Has Gone Before" in both original and TOS-R versions.

I, for one, didn't care for how they redid the galactic barrier and the sequences within it. I think it could be redone, but I wasn't impressed with how they did it. It wasn't just the barrier itself but also how the ship was shown within it.

I don't see how you can seriously say that....it was far more believable and fluid, and I felt several shots of the Enterprise were movie-like.

The first shot of the edge of the galactic disk is worth the price of admission alone by comparison to the old.

http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03hd/wherenomanhasgonebeforehd001.jpg

http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/wnmhgb/old_ent_intro_shot.jpg

The barrier here...realistic looking..

http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/wnmhgb/new_ent_delves_into_barrier.jpg

Horrible:

http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/wnmhgb/old_ent_delves_into_barrier.jpg

RAMA

 

[Warped9]

I don't see how you can seriously say that....it was far more believable and fluid, and I felt several shots of the Enterprise were movie-like.

RAMA

Again it's a matter of approach. It's a case of not agreeing with how they envisioned the barrier and diverging too much from the feel of the original sequences. That's the only way I can think of to explain it.

One day I will watch all of the TOS-R episodes and then I'll make a more detailed assessment of what was done and of what I like and don't like.

Also, and I mean no offense, but my sense is that you are so convinced of the superiority of the new f/x that I don't really see much point of trying to explain why it often doesn't work for me. It's nothing new, or personal, because I've talked with others about the very same subject.

Essentially, though, the new f/x mostly don't look like anything that could have been done in the '60s even under the best of conditions with the budget and resources of a major feature film. That's the distinction. The new f/x are for the most part very contemporary looking and jarring (to my eyes) alongside the remaining live-action footage.

 

[Ssosmcin]

This looks like a painting to me, always has. Even on the Blu-Rays, I am not "convinced" these are ships in space, but artist's renditions. Maybe it's the stark lighting from the Fasarius, but it's the only shot that falls flat for me.

I'd frame and hang this in my den, but I would never try to pass it off as an example of "better effects." It's simply a sharper, HD phony effect.

However, the cube and the other Fasarius shots are great.

 

[BillJ]

The barrier here...realistic looking..

http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/wnmhgb/new_ent_delves_into_barrier.jpg

What you mean isn't 'realistic', what you mean is that its more in-line with Modern Trek. The galactic barrier now looks like the badlands.