Would Odo have turned evil if he joined the Founders?

[indolover]

Odo admitted to the Female Changeling that the only reason he stayed with the solids was because he loved Kira.

But in The Search, he rejected the Founders because they were evil and he didn't want to be part of them. So, say Kira died in the series' run. Would he have joined the Founders again, even though they acted against his own moral code?

 

[KDoug]

I think it's quite possible that he would have joined their side. When the Dominion occupy Bajor, he basically becomes addicted to The Link and doesn't find much else to be of importance. If he didn't find a reason to shake himself out of that addition, it's quite likely that his sense of right and wrong would be addled even further.

 

[ClayHefner]

The same principles that allowed him to be some Cardassian oppressor minion.

Odo is "a blunt instrument"". When he's working for evil people, he's an evil guy with some good qualities, and vice versa.

 

[{ Emilia }]

Odo has some quite fascist attitudes so yeah, I can't stand him anyway.

 

[od0_ital]

^

He was still "young" when he worked for the Cardassians, and he called Dukat on his bullshit from time to time durin' the series, post occupation. It may have taken awhile, but Odo learned right from wrong, and did what he could within the system he was workin' in, both under Cardassian rule and Federation guidelines.

I think that even with Kira's loss, Odo would have stayed on the station. It was his home, and, if nothin' else, that's a pretty tough thing to give up.

His return to the Great Link ended a galactic war. He sacrificed for the greater good, and, hopefully, his moral code would create a positive change within the Link.

 

[lurok]

But in The Search, he rejected the Founders because they were evil and he didn't want to be part of them. So, say Kira died in the series' run. Would he have joined the Founders again, even though they acted against his own moral code?

As od0-ital suggests, I think when Kira 'died' in run might have influence. Early Odo I suspect might have been seduced. Later Odo, I doubt it. What is potentially intriguing is if Kira had died just before he discovered the Section 31 infection. Possibly, her loss and that news might have sent him over the edge...

 

[Photon]

Odo has some quite fascist attitudes so yeah, I can't stand him anyway.

Facist? Really?

Odo was about law and order, that makes him fascist? No he wasn't a touch-feely peacnik and I think he wasn't evil nor would have turned evil

 

[od0_ital]

Odo has some quite fascist attitudes so yeah, I can't stand him anyway.

Facist? Really?

Well, his attitude towards Quark shows he was anti-capitalist. And for the first three seasons of the series, he rejected materialism.

 

[Photon]

Odo has some quite fascist attitudes so yeah, I can't stand him anyway.

Facist? Really?

Well, his attitude towards Quark shows he was anti-capitalist. And for the first three seasons of the series, he rejected materialism.

If Quark were a Red he would have hated on him. Anyway, Trek always seemed a little anti-capitalist...their loss

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Odo was not anti-capitalist. He was anti-Quark.

And I think Kira's death would have been the only thing that would even conceivably make Odo turn completely 'evil'. He has an innate sense of right and wrong, that is usually rock-solid (pardon the pun ).

 

[{ Emilia }]

^ Odo was not anti-capitalist. He was anti-Quark.

And I think Kira's death would have been the only thing that would even conceivably make Odo turn completely 'evil'. He has an innate sense of right and wrong, that is usually rock-solid (pardon the pun ).

Ok, so I'll admit it's been a while since I watched DS9. But I seem to remember a couple of occasions where Sisko had to remind Odo that he has to adhere to Federation rules now and can't just do it the fascist Cardassian's way.

Innate sense of right and wrong?
He wouldn't have worked for the Cardassians then anyway.

 

[od0_ital]

^ Odo was not anti-capitalist. He was anti-Quark.

And Quark was a capitalist!

... Innate sense of right and wrong?
He wouldn't have worked for the Cardassians then anyway.

Dude had to do something after he left Mora's lab on Bajor...

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Odo was not anti-capitalist. He was anti-Quark.

And Quark was a capitalist!

And? The logic does not follow.

It'd be like saying this:

- I hate the Boston Red Sox.

- Kevin Youkilis is Jewish.

- Therefore I hate Jews.

The first two are true, the third is not. I do hate the Red Sox, but I am not anti-Semitic; one of the players on the team just happens to be Jewish, and that has nothing to do with it. Same story here. Odo and Quark are always at loggerheads, but that doesn't mean Odo is anti-capitalist. Quark's capitalism is not the problem; Quark simply *being Quark* is. (In my case, I hate the Red Sox simply *because they are the Red Sox* - and that's only because I am a Yankee fan) You'll notice that Odo has no particular problem with, say, Rom?

Innate sense of right and wrong?
He wouldn't have worked for the Cardassians then anyway.

Remember the flashback in "Necessary Evil" when Dukat offers Odo the position of head of security? Dukat did this because Odo is considered a 'neutral observer' and has his own sense of justice. If Dukat had wanted a security chief who acted Cardassian, he would have hired a Cardassian.

 

[lurok]

Remember the flashback in "Necessary Evil" when Dukat offers Odo the position of head of security? Dukat did this because Odo is considered a 'neutral observer' and has his own sense of justice. If Dukat had wanted a security chief who acted Cardassian, he would have hired a Cardassian.

It's a while since saw that ep but it always came across to me that Dukat had his own suspect motives for using Odo other than any innate sense of justice or integrity. I think using a Cardassian would have been a blunt tool rather than a scalpel...

 

[Ssosmcin]

^ Odo was not anti-capitalist. He was anti-Quark.

And Quark was a capitalist!

Odo didn't have a problem with Quark because he was a capitalist; he disliked Quark because he was a criminal. This was obvious. Odo didn't harass any of the other business on the Promanade (far as we know), mainly because they were honest. Just cuz the Federation didn't use money doesn't mean Bajor didn't, so there was always some kind of "money making" going on. However, Quark would make these back alley deals, indulge in smuggling, fixed gaming, betting pools, and other things frowned upon. Nothing fascist about any of that.

 

[Navaros]

Odo would have turned good by joining the Founders.

Odo had turned evil by allying with the Federation. This is evidenced by the fact that he obeyed an unjust order to continue a genocide against the Founders by keeping the cure from them. A good person, or an Odo as he was originally written, before being corrupted away from the path of justice, by blind loyalty to the evil Federation, would never have done that.

The Founders would have convinced Odo, and rightfully so, how his fondness for humans has corrupted his moral integrity and caused him to become evil. As a just man, Odo would become disgusted at his genocide-endorsing behaviour, and become good again.

 

[od0_ital]

^ Odo was not anti-capitalist. He was anti-Quark.

And Quark was a capitalist!

Odo didn't have a problem with Quark because he was a capitalist; he disliked Quark because he was a criminal. This was obvious. Odo didn't harass any of the other business on the Promanade (far as we know), mainly because they were honest. Just cuz the Federation didn't use money doesn't mean Bajor didn't, so there was always some kind of "money making" going on. However, Quark would make these back alley deals, indulge in smuggling, fixed gaming, betting pools, and other things frowned upon. Nothing fascist about any of that.

As established in the fifth season finale, Quark was the head of the Promenade Merchants' Association. He was king of the moneygrubbers on the station!

Odo simply aimed high.

Yeah, that's it...