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Design the Next Enterprise

Even the old Star Trek method of presenting a self-contained episode each week in a 5-act structure with 2 parallel story lines is old and moldy.

Agreed. I'd be far more excited about a new Trek series if it were to be an overarching epic like Babylon 5, rather than "what kind of trouble can we get into this week while still managing to get out of it within 40 minutes."
 
That means (based on my read) that losing contestants are freelancers with regard to shopping the image; if Cryptic wants to use one, it may need to make an offer. And if that's not in the budget, it's a bigger problem because a losing design could be put "in play" -- perhaps some other game (Excalibur?) would care to use it.

I can't (officially) speak for the ST:E Development Team. However, I will state--off the record--that nothing is impossible...if not now, then in the future.

...If an almost-perfect entry is not "the Enterprise," can a winning contestant be hired to make it into "the Enterprise?" (Dear Jason: We loved your ship. Could you please a: reduce the number of nacelles to two; b: add a lower fuselage; c: complete the saucer section in back; d: move the hangar bay to the rear one-third? Otherwise, great job. See ya, Dan.) My read of the rules is that the contest entities are claiming that right, but they phrased it as a "work for hire agreement...for no additional consideration." Which I think means, we can hire you for nothing and you have to say yes. I don't believe such a clause is defensible in court, but it may depend on the state in which the contest is registered. Also, such work -- according to the rules -- is limited to integrating the design into the Game, with a capital "G," which is another clear indicator to me that this entry is all about the game and not the franchise. That matters, because CBS has its own art department, full of people who yearn for the chance to design the Enterprise-F themselves, but know full well that their contracts specify that CBS has the exclusive rights to derivative works based on the images that it owns.

I wonder if they would stoop to modifying a design regardless of the creator's response? Hope not, but...TIH (This is Hollywood). Essentially.


~Belisarius
 
^That's part of the reason my entry is little more than an overall form for the ship. I expected them to want to add details/make changes as they saw fit. Of course, they may like the more polished entries better as they would have to use less imagination to picture the final design.
 
Telling single, strong stories is indeed an old idea, and it will be an even older idea when the TV vogue for creating viewer loyalty by tying a couple of dozen mediocre stories together into arcs has subsided again and standalone stories are still going strong. :lol:
 
Telling single, strong stories is indeed an old idea, and it will be an even older idea when the TV vogue for creating viewer loyalty by tying a couple of dozen mediocre stories together into arcs has subsided again and standalone stories are still going strong. :lol:

Because sitcoms are doing so well these days :rolleyes:

A "story of the week" was appealing when people had to turn on their TV and watch at the exact same time every week to see every episode. Most people couldn't be expected to do this, and would get lost if you changed things from one episode to the next. Therefore everything had to end as it started, so you could pick up again from zero next week, and you could air re-runs and play episodes out of order and it wouldn't disrupt continuity.

In the modern world we have Tivo, Hulu, torrents, and boxed sets. How often do you sit and watch an entire series at a go now rather than tuning in one night a week?

The medium has changed. Story telling must change with it. IMO it's for the better. I've outgrown the trite "story of the week" approach, and I think the upcoming generation of viewers has too. Even the X-Files 50/50 split between "Monster of the Week" or "Ongoing Alien cover-up" now seems like an exercise in condescension, as if the audience can't be expected to maintain an interest in the same story for more than an hour.

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...but then I don't watch TV casually. I don't leave it on in the background. If I'm going to watch it (which I do rarely), it will receive my full attention, and I understand that isn't the norm.

Generally I far prefer movies to TV. It's time out of my life either way, if I'm going to waste it absorbing non-interactive media, why wouldn't I opt for material that took more than a week to write, with substantially higher production value, filmed by a more talented director over a longer period of time, with top tier acting talent?

I make a exceptions for good sci-fi and fantasy (Game of Thrones!!!) and for current events (Daily Show)... also I watch Glee with the Mrs :alienblush:
 
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In the modern world we have Tivo, Hulu, torrents, and boxed sets. How often do you sit and watch an entire series at a go now rather than tuning in one night a week?

Me, I think I watched maybe 3 epissodes of NuBattlestarGalactica while being broadcast - and that was just peeking.

I intentionally waited until they came out on DVDs to watch them that way. No commercials to break the mood. With the stellar writing, amazing acting, and top-notch production values, it was like watching a couple of major motion pictures.

Mind you, it didn't plan to do it that way. I had no cable at the time of the mini-series and Season 1 premier. So, I got Box Set 1 to catch up. I could not stop watching until I got to the last DVD at 3 a.m. Oh, to have a Star Trek series that commanded such riveting interest once again...

(Just imagine... "Pegasus" and "Resurrection Ship Parts 1 & 2" done with the Enterprise and the Excelsior. Such intensity would be mind-blowing.)
 
OK, now I'm imagining Admiral Sulu as a homicidal maniac phasering his first officer and plotting the assassination of Captain Kirk...
 
Is it sad that there is a TNG porn film that looks to have a better story and effects than some of the original tng episodes?

Edit: Ok, sorry, that is getting way off topic. How bout this hypothetical: CBS comes back and tells Cryptic to re-run the contest and all submissions for this second go around must be new. No submissions from the previous and of course no prior work. What would you do? what would you do?
 
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Read the contest rules very clearly to make sure there is a definite end date, and that it is clearly defined.
 
What would you do? what would you do?

Make a new, different Enterprise. Duh. I don't think anyone is gonna be like "but I already made one, do I hafta make another, really?"

I'd also venture a guess that all our 2nd attempts would be superior to the 1st, though whether they'd be more likely win would still depend on the judge's design criteria, and whether they shared it with us.
 
How bout this hypothetical: CBS comes back and tells Cryptic to re-run the contest and all submissions for this second go around must be new. No submissions from the previous and of course no prior work. What would you do? what would you do?

Well, that wouldn't be fair, would it? I was busy with a plethora of assignments, otherwise I might have entered the first contest myself. If the contest was re-run with all the existing entries thrown out, I'd be at a huge advantage. I'd know what the best artists on this forum would be ineligible to re-submit, and I'd have nothing to throw out myself.

DFMalden
 
Well, that wouldn't be fair, would it? I was busy with a plethora of assignments, otherwise I might have entered the first contest myself. If the contest was re-run with all the existing entries thrown out, I'd be at a huge advantage. I'd know what the best artists on this forum would be ineligible to re-submit, and I'd have nothing to throw out myself.

DFMalden

I think you would actually be at a disadvantage having not had a test run like the rest of us. We'd be essentially six months ahead of you in pre-production.
 
i think you'd be at a huge advantage, having NOT suffered a nervous breakdown after weeks of intolerable suspense finally followed by insane rage.
 
I'd love a second contest, because I would have loved to enter it, but found out too late.
Of course that's just my selfishness talking. I've seen so many great entries posted here, and many of them deserve to win. :)
 
Is it crazy that I find the idea of second contest kind of appealing? My wife would kill me...

You can always get another wife. However you may never have another chance to design the Enterprise.

JK, I know how hard it is to find a woman in Alaska. So maybe it wouldn't be worth it.
 
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