Which characters were the most annoying?

[indolover]

I think B'Elanna had too much self-pity. OK, her dad left when she was young. But the idea of her feeling bad for being angry (due to her Klingon nature) was a bit tiresome. She was born half-Klingon, get over it already. Worf had it harder here, he was full Klingon, and had to temper his Klingon nature to live in human/Federation society. This whilst still in his heart living by Klingon beliefs/values (which B'Elanna never did).

Tom Paris is another dud. He never seemed to take anything seriously and everything was a huge joke. He doesn't even seem to be an intelligent person, which must be a prerequisite to be a Starfleet officer. In raw intellect alone, he seemed like a baby compared to Janeway, Chakotay, Kim, B'Elanna, Tuvok, the Doctor and even Neelix. Neelix had little experience of ship operations, but had a lot of life experience to fall back on.

 

[henbane]

I didn't find any of them totally annoying. However, I did find Tom a little confusing. He was supposed to be a "bad guy" who was really a good guy but he was never convincing at having been a bad guy. Can't put my finger exactly on why - maybe a bit too innocent, not quite enough attitude. Can anyone help me out here?

Chakotay also confused me a little - I think in the same way as Tom. He was supposed to be a Marquis leader, but never really demonstrated strong leadership qualities. The time he punched a guy out when he badmouthed Tuvok (in the episode where Tuvok was running the Starfleet training course), it seemed incredibly out of character for him.

Too many contradictions in Tom and Chakotay for me.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I didn't find any of them totally annoying. However, I did find Tom a little confusing. He was supposed to be a "bad guy" who was really a good guy but he was never convincing at having been a bad guy. Can't put my finger exactly on why - maybe a bit too innocent, not quite enough attitude. Can anyone help me out here?

He wasn't remotely bad or daring. The baddest thing he did, which got him in huge trouble, was to take action to help people against the Captain's orders.

He was waaaaay too fresh faced boy to look like he had any kind of past. Ugh, why couldn't he have been like.. oh I dunno.. Sawyer in Lost. You look at him and you KNOW he was a complete reprobate at some point. You just never get even an inkling of this with Paris.

He didn't annoy me, but I found him to be not much of a character. I even liked Harry better.

 

[henbane]

Thanks teacake! Sawyer from Lost - now there's a badboy <wink wink> It's nice to know I wasn't the only one that found Tom's character a lot thin in the badboy area.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I've been thinking that VOY was pretty fail at bad boys.

Paris, see above.

Chakotay, hung up those Maquis leathers pretty fast and morphed into a mushy gentle character.. even Seska's incredible betrayal didn't provoke him much!

Neelix.. what happened to that con artist trader, that renegade ferengi type? Gone, got a bit of that in the pilot as soon as he became crew he was Mr. Nice Guy.

B'Elanna is the only one in the whole ship with a temper!

 

[eepruls]

I absolutely hated when they had one of those episodes where B'Elanna mopes around and is all depressed. I mean, come on. And they had multiple episodes like that.

And I hated when Tom made jokes that were totally out of place. There are times for lightheartedness and joking around and times when it's not appropriate. Making fun of a commanding officer (e.g. Tuvok) on duty isn't funny. I think the writers felt he had to make a joke at every opportunity to lighten the mood. That's fine, but there's still the right moment to do so.

 

[henbane]

I'd forgotten that Neelix was supposed to be a bad boy trader too. You're right - the women had more attitude than the men!

 

[BlobVanDam]

Overall, I didn't find any character too annoying, but they definitely had their moments. Chakotay annoyed me with his wooden acting, Harry for the same reason. And Tom annoyed me for being such a kid and regularly caring more about his crappy 20th Century junk than his own girlfriend/wife.

"Sorry B'lanna, I can't have dinner with you tonight. Instead I have to fix a car while watching cartoons on television on the holodeck with Chaotica and eat hamburgers and try to be relatable to the casual fans".

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Overall, I didn't find any character too annoying, but they definitely had their moments. Chakotay annoyed me with his wooden acting, Harry for the same reason. And Tom annoyed me for being such a kid and regularly caring more about his crappy 20th Century junk than his own girlfriend/wife.

"Sorry B'lanna, I can't have dinner with you tonight. Instead I have to fix a car while watching cartoons on television on the holodeck with Chaotica and eat hamburgers and try to be relatable to the casual fans".

Why did she put up with that.. CHILD?

She needed a real man, like 7.

"COMPLY!"

 

[Keith1701]

I've been thinking that VOY was pretty fail at bad boys.

Paris, see above.

Chakotay, hung up those Maquis leathers pretty fast and morphed into a mushy gentle character.. even Seska's incredible betrayal didn't provoke him much!

Neelix.. what happened to that con artist trader, that renegade ferengi type? Gone, got a bit of that in the pilot as soon as he became crew he was Mr. Nice Guy.

B'Elanna is the only one in the whole ship with a temper!

NEELIX, big time!!!!

 

[Spirit]

For me Janeway is definitely the character that springs to mind. She always seemed to hold herself in a much higher regard than everyone else. Her decision was always the right one. Rules could be broken but only if she said so. Etc.

In one episode she demotes Tom Paris. Later he is promoted again. All the while eternal Ensign Kim – and presumably plenty of other officers – are overlooked completely. And she’s intrusive and meddling to the point of becoming a serious nuisance to the Temporal Prime Directive.

Kate Mulgrew is the saving grace of this character! Played by someone else – Genevieve Bujold for example – she would have been unbearable.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

"Sorry B'lanna, I can't have dinner with you tonight. Instead I have to fix a car while watching cartoons on television on the holodeck with Chaotica and eat hamburgers and try to be relatable to the casual fans".

I laughed out loud at this.

 

[Vinkula]

Nobody! I love all the Voyager characters. If I have to choose, Neelix, but he's a fantastic character also!

 

[exodus]

I didn't find any of them totally annoying. However, I did find Tom a little confusing. He was supposed to be a "bad guy" who was really a good guy but he was never convincing at having been a bad guy. Can't put my finger exactly on why - maybe a bit too innocent, not quite enough attitude. Can anyone help me out here?

He wasn't remotely bad or daring. The baddest thing he did, which got him in huge trouble, was to take action to help people against the Captain's orders.

He was waaaaay too fresh faced boy to look like he had any kind of past. Ugh, why couldn't he have been like.. oh I dunno.. Sawyer in Lost. You look at him and you KNOW he was a complete reprobate at some point. You just never get even an inkling of this with Paris.

He didn't annoy me, but I found him to be not much of a character. I even liked Harry better.

Tom was a traitor to his government and known associate to a terrorist group. It doesn't matter what he personality was like, he he was guilty and has a prison record. How does that not qualify as a bad boy?

For Tom to be like Sawyer, he'd have to be poor trailer park trash.
Tom wasn't, he was privilaged. He was rich boy rebelling against his father.
The name "Paris" is a respected one due to his father, Sawyer is a nobody due to his.
Their origins and experence due to it shaped their personalities.

Tom annoyed me for being such a kid and regularly caring more about his crappy 20th Century junk than his own girlfriend/wife.

"Sorry B'lanna, I can't have dinner with you tonight. Instead I have to fix a car while watching cartoons on television on the holodeck with Chaotica and eat hamburgers and try to be relatable to the casual fans".

Here in the States, we men call that Football season.

 

[henbane]

exodus - I think you're describing how the Tom character was conceived by the writers or what Tom was supposed to be like. The point I was trying to make was that he didn't portray or even seem capable or smart enough for "such evil fiendishness". Regardless of his background (privileged or not) he was more like a bit of a harmless prankster from a "boys own" magazine than an badboy terrorist

ie it's what the script may have said, but certainly not what we saw.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

And she’s intrusive and meddling to the point of becoming a serious nuisance to the Temporal Prime Directive.

Oh who cares about that silly directive!

Meddle on Kathryn

 

[exodus]

exodus - I think you're describing how the Tom character was conceived by the writers or what Tom was supposed to be like. The point I was trying to make was that he didn't portray or even seem capable or smart enough for "such evil fiendishness". Regardless of his background (privileged or not) he was more like a bit of a harmless prankster from a "boys own" magazine than an badboy terrorist

ie it's what the script may have said, but certainly not what we saw.

You don't have to be smart to be a traitor or associated with terrorists. Anyone is capable of such acts.
Nobody but nobody is ever seen as innocent after such acts. In real life just as it was on Voyager he'd be black listed by the government and unwelcomed by most civilains in his country. If being a traitor doesn't make you a bad person, I don't know what does.

 

[Eleanor_zhDarjel]

Harry Kim. I want to strangel him sometimes. Bloody wimp. Grow a f... backbone!

OK. Sorry kids. That came out a little bit agressive. But I don't really like him.

 

[Avon]

i thought there'd be more neelix-hate.

 

[Eleanor_zhDarjel]

I like Neelix. Think he is sweet.