Without an end limit, why stop?

[think]

In infinite space there needs to be no limit for anything no end no ultimate goal in life. no reason to stop just go go go. and then where do we end up ,, nowhere so what..

Ok, let me rephrase that somehow.

As there can be no purpose to stopping if there is no stopping.

As there is no reason to continue further when there is only what? more of the same? further on.. toward the next closer realism of thoughts and ideas... what is that?

//this seemed like a neutral zone topic but the 'idea' of limits being controlled in time and in space inviting disaster because there really are no limits to anything at all, left me in the tech area of posting.//

As I am thinking of details and specific important realities that might be over or "starting" again in the circles of Gaia's transcendence throughout being and creations there of..

Just with the idea that knowledge is endless when should there be a "pause" in the learning cycle/curve of exponential learning levels in reasoning's growth?

This is knowledge and idea formations in structured dialogs.

þ/Þ

We have big over little being, in an approximate way of thinking of, what we could know over what we actaully know. Being that these are given, defined and in an axiomatic system of structure realities invariably correct nothing more needs to be developed beyond spaces of measurable stardust and processed waste creations acted there upon said stardust. All knowledge defined as þ is still the most misrepresented concept at the moment, as it is thought of. We all know or can represent the thoughts in the frontal lobe of our mind as (Þ).
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If the amount of total knowledge Possible within an all inclusive system, and the amount of knowledge we actually know were to include two or more entirely different sets of Axioms then would these systems of information structures be able to recognize one another?

//at this point I don't know where to post this cause there is too much at once.. sorta.//

So in Miscellaneous it is.. where the chips fall in an entropy like dispersion of thought.

 

[Servo]

There's no earthly way of knowing
Which direction we are going
There's no knowing where we're rowing
Or which way the river's flowing
Is it raining?
Is it snowing?
Is a hurricane a-blowing?
Not a speck of light is showing
So the danger must be growing
Are the fires of hell a-glowing?
Is the grisly reaper mowing?
Yes, the danger must be growing
'Cause the rowers keep on rowing
And they're certainly not showing
Any signs that they are slowing!

 

[think]

you know that is about the chocolate river in the Wonka factory right? so is he the one that freed willy, from utter doom and despair?

children and their rhymes. I read that book when it came out I was in third grade...

remember the butterfly effect?

I'm a little Butterfly, l have wings,
I fly around and see all things.
When l see a flower that looks great,
I call out to all of my mates.

seriously did you even read what I typed? and or have an original comment there of?

Please I am totally lost. sometimes with no direction beyond here.

 

[Servo]

you know that is about the chocolate river in the Wonka factory right?

No, really? I thought I just made it up! [/sarcasm]

The Wonka river is a metaphor in itself.

seriously did you even read what I typed?

I tried, but I got bored by the halfway point and assumed you'd been drinking.

Please I am totally lost. sometimes with no direction beyond here.

 

[think]

fyi my last drink/drug was.. 13.5 years ago.. I do miss it but not really .,

metaphors of rivers like the stream of life going to the Ocean of bliss sorta thing?

you're funny., though I have been awake too long and it does not look like I am going to sleep anytime soon. But the image does work well with the comment, but luck is what I have when I get lucky otherwise I am a sore loser ahhh there I can do that song/lyric trick everyone does in my threads LOL and it is not even a hybrid quote.

----------------------
beck loser

In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey
Butane in my veins and I’m out to cut the junkie
With the plastic eyeballs, spray-paint the vegetables
Dog food stalls with the beefcake pantyhose
Kill the headlights and put it in neutral
Stock car flamin’ with a loser and the cruise control
Baby’s in reno with the vitamin d
Got a couple of couches, sleep on the love-seat
Someone came sayin’ I’m insane to complain
About a shotgun wedding and a stain on my shirt
Don’t believe everything that you breathe
You get a parking violation and a maggot on your sleeve
So shave your face with some mace in the dark
Savin’ all your food stamps and burnin’ down the trailer park

Yo. cut it.

Soy un perdedor
I’m a loser baby, so why don’t you kill me?

(double barrel buckshot)
Soy un perdedor
I’m a loser baby, so why don’t you kill me?

Forces of evil on a bozo nightmare
Ban all the music with a phony gas chamber
’cuz one’s got a weasel and the other’s got a flag
One’s on the pole, shove the other in a bag
With the rerun shows and the cocaine nose-job
The daytime crap of the folksinger slob
He hung himself with a guitar string
A slab of turkey-neck and it’s hangin’ from a pigeon wing
You can’t write if you can’t relate
Trade the cash for the beef for the body for the hate
And my time is a piece of wax fallin’ on a termite
who's chokin’ on the splinters

Soy un perdedor
I’m a loser baby, so why don’t you kill me?
(get crazy with the cheese whiz)
Soy un perdedor
I’m a loser baby, so why don’t you kill me?
(drive-by body-pierce)
(yo bring it on down)
Soooooyy....

?em llik uoy t'nod yhw os ,ybab resol a m'I rodedreP nu yos
[It's the Chorus backwards]

(I’m a driver, I’m a winner; things are gonna change I can feel it)

Soy un perdedor
I’m a loser baby, so why don’t you kill me?
(I can’t believe you)
Soy un perdedor
I’m a loser baby, so why don’t you kill me?
(Nlehh...)
Soy un perdedor
I’m a loser baby, so why don’t you kill me?
(Sprechen Die Deutsch hier, Baby!)
Soy un perdedor
I’m a loser baby, so why don’t you kill me?
(know what I’m sayin’? )

 

[RoJoHen]

seriously did you even read what I typed? and or have an original comment there of?

As always with your threads, I try to read them, and then I give up because I can never figure out what you're talking about.

Please I am totally lost. sometimes with no direction beyond here.

This seems true.

 

[Jadzia]

In infinite space there needs to be no limit for anything no end no ultimate goal in life. no reason to stop just go go go. and then where do we end up ,, nowhere so what..

Ok, let me rephrase that somehow.

As there can be no purpose to stopping if there is no stopping.

That's not true. You can stop to savour the present. You can stop to question and reevaluate where you are going, as you are doing in this thread.

As there is no reason to continue further when there is only what? more of the same? further on.. toward the next closer realism of thoughts and ideas... what is that?

Gods may ask themselves the same questions, but are stuck with their own immortality. They could either spend the rest of eternity staring into nothingness and asking "why?", or they could dream of stars and planets, and dream of people upon those planets, and so begin exploring infinity.

What drives them is fervent curiosity, and the pursuit of leisure. These are goals in themselves.

 

[think]

In infinite space there needs to be no limit for anything no end no ultimate goal in life. no reason to stop just go go go. and then where do we end up ,, nowhere so what..

Ok, let me rephrase that somehow.

As there can be no purpose to stopping if there is no stopping.

That's not true. You can stop to savour the present. You can stop to question and reevaluate where you are going, as you are doing in this thread.

As there is no reason to continue further when there is only what? more of the same? further on.. toward the next closer realism of thoughts and ideas... what is that?

Gods may ask themselves the same questions, but are stuck with their own immortality. They could either spend the rest of eternity staring into nothingness and asking "why?", or they could dream of stars and planets, and dream of people upon those planets, and so begin exploring infinity.

That it is intransitive and transitive dichotomies balanced in timeless harmonic waves of entropy letting us delude ourselves with the illusion of motion and time.

What drives them is fervent curiosity, and the pursuit of leisure. These are goals in themselves.

But if we are curious, to the death, then what is it that we will find as the purpose with this in-virtuous goal being the end of life?

And so, if we catch-22 and move on to the bitter end of beingness as if we could, and recognize the effects of actualized thought development as an intent driven source for becoming more 'evolved' in the way we know ourselves then still we have no limit of any kind.

Just as approaching the flower of the moment is as the meaning that has enticed us to live yet when the flower no longer has meaning and the blooming of the lotus is lost in the field of Lilly's would there be any other thought to know or should we know that this dream is as awake as the day of days in the windows to time and on the river of life's topological drifts through the illusions unreal and real in a most surreal experience of.

woot.

 

[Jadzia]

But if we are curious, to the death, then what is it that we will find as the purpose with this in-virtuous goal being the end of life?

Existentialists say that purpose is a human invention, and that it is for you to decide for yourself.

If you'd rather have purpose defined for you in some way, consider this:

If the universe has a purpose, then that is also your purpose, since you are part of the universe.

However, we cannot say what the purpose of the universe is. It would make a lot more sense for it to have never existed, yet it does exist. The creation of something out of nothingness is beyond our ability to explain or understand, yet it happened.

Until we can explain why that happened, we cannot know what the purpose of the universe is, and so you cannot know what your purpose is either.

 

[RJDiogenes]

^^ Well, the Universe must exist in a larger context. Causality has to be a local phenomenon. Something can't be created from nothingness.

The Universe, in the local or larger sense, has no purpose or meaning; it is given purpose or meaning by the presence of intelligent life. Matter and energy may exist objectively, but concepts such as purpose, meaning, beauty et cetera are the subjective result of consciousness.

And information is infinite. If you knew everything in the Universe a billion years, you wouldn't know everything now; by the same token, knowing everything know says nothing about the future. And even if one was able to know "everything," there would still be that everything to re-explore; I never get tired of going back to the White Mountains, or re-reading Rendezvous With Rama.

 

[scotpens]

. . . Existentialists say that purpose is a human invention, and that it is for you to decide for yourself.

So I guess I've been an existentialist all these years, and I never even knew it!

 

[Jadzia]

Something can't be created from nothingness.

Nothingness is the only concept which requires no explanation, because there is nothing to explain. But something does require an explanation. So nothingness is the starting point from which we must explain everything else in order for our explanations to be full and complete. That may or may not be possible.

When we think of nothingness, we tend to think of empty space, which we observe to remain stagnant... and we wrongfully infer from that observation that nothingness is far too impotent to create.

Empty space is not the same as nothingness. Empty space has a universe it exists in relation to. It has volume and dimension and internal structure. We've never had nothingness to experiment with. We never will, because having it would be in relation to us, which would make it something other than nothingness.

In short, we don't know how nothingness behaves.

It is a common theme in works of fiction to refer to an arcane hypothetical concept called chaos, or negative energy, or a 'dark' metaphysical element, which pertains to this nothingness and elaborates on how it is beyond mere emptiness. eg, in the neverending story, we hear of how the world is disappearing in such a way that it is not merely being replaced with emptiness.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Now I know how newbies feel when navigating the Magic Roundabout.

 

[RoJoHen]

Now I know how newbies feel when navigating the Magic Roundabout.

That looks atrocious. I can't even navigate a single roundabout.

 

[scotpens]

Now I know how newbies feel when navigating the Magic Roundabout.

Aaah, that’s for sissies. Try navigating the Los Angeles freeway system sometime.

 

[RoJoHen]

I'd rather ride a complicated freeway than a roundabout any day.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Something can't be created from nothingness.

Nothingness is the only concept which requires no explanation, because there is nothing to explain. But something does require an explanation. So nothingness is the starting point from which we must explain everything else in order for our explanations to be full and complete. That may or may not be possible.

When we think of nothingness, we tend to think of empty space, which we observe to remain stagnant... and we wrongfully infer from that observation that nothingness is far too impotent to create.

Which it must be, since nothingness can no attributes, since it doesn't exist. This is why I say causality must be a local phenomenon. What we know as existence is a subset of a larger space, and the rules that govern it are a "special case."

 

[Jadzia]

When we think of nothingness, we tend to think of empty space, which we observe to remain stagnant... and we wrongfully infer from that observation that nothingness is far too impotent to create.

Which it must be, since nothingness can no attributes, since it doesn't exist.

It has the attribute of being nothingness. But the metaphysics quickly gets messy, because to say that Nothingness does not exist, is like a double negative, which is to say that something does exists.

It's like when the number zero was invented, and people found it strange to consider counting the things you don't have any of. But zero has a solid foundation in mathematical logic. We can construct all other numbers from zero. To say that zero has no attributes because it does not exist would be wrong.

What we know as existence is a subset of a larger space, and the rules that govern it are a "special case."

But that only pushes inquiring minds up that larger space. Why does it exist, and why should there be a subset with special cases?

This is why I say causality must be a local phenomenon.

Causality is something intertwined with time, and time is a property of this four dimensional bubble we live in, whether it's a subset of something larger, or not.

With causality we tend to look at motion (over time), and consider how one arrangement of matter preceded another arrangement of matter, and how the former moved to become the latter.

By thinking in terms of causality we restrict our thinking to within that four dimensional bubble, and are unable to consider the bigger picture.

Logic is immune to time, so is the natural tool for piercing through that four dimensional bubble. As with constructing the numbers from zero, thinking in terms of logical precedents would be more suitable than thinking in terms of causality, for explaining existence of something.

 

[JarodRussell]

I like how you equate infinite space with, like, infinite time or infinite knowledge. Ultimately, everything about the universe will be learned, because there is not an infinite amount of things going on. And then what?

 

[Starbreaker]