Commentary on the current state of Star Wars continuity(some spoilers)

[Set Harth]

Re: Commentary on the current state of Star Wars continuity(some spoil

So.....does this mean that the ancient Tales of the Jedi chronicles, Emperor Palpatine being resurrected, Han and Leia having three kids, Luke marrying Mara Jade, Chewbacca dying, the Yuuzhan Vong invading, etc, etc, can now just be ignored if George frigging Lucas feels like it?! Well, that's just crap. Utter, complete crap. For a long time all those stories actually meant something, and now they could all turn out to be worthless.

It's already happened via the PT, though Canon Completists tend to insist that various retcons and fudging mean that the PT didn't actually boot anything out of canon. For example, Boba Fett's backstory as described in Tales of the Bounty Hunters is essentially gone. On an item-specific basis, Zahn's Clone Wars timeline references are no longer valid ( while the one in Dark Force Rising was problematic in the first place even before the PT ). The same goes for hyperspace travel times: many EU authors went the Star Trek route, which doesn't actually agree with the OT, and now it doesn't agree with the PT either.

 

[Skywalker]

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I personally dont give a rats rear what George says is canon or not. If I like the novel world, the comic continuity, its the SW universe I choose to believe.

A-freaking-men. It's all fictional, therefore it's all equally valid. It doesn't matter what George Lucas or Steve McCallum or anyone else say is "real" and what's "not real." The only opinion that matters is your own.

 

[Turtletrekker]

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I personally dont give a rats rear what George says is canon or not. If I like the novel world, the comic continuity, its the SW universe I choose to believe.

For the win!

 

[Professor Zoom]

Re: Commentary on the current state of Star Wars continuity(some spoil

I personally dont give a rats rear what George says is canon or not. If I like the novel world, the comic continuity, its the SW universe I choose to believe.

A-freaking-men. It's all fictional, therefore it's all equally valid. It doesn't matter what George Lucas or Steve McCallum or anyone else say is "real" and what's "not real." The only opinion that matters is your own.

This.

 

[Mr Light]

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Temis: the Emperor wasn't cloned, his original spirit survived. He just inhabits clone bodies. It's still the original Emperor. Remember when he talks about Darth Plagueis learning the secrets of immortality in ROTS? Sidious perfected that. Remember that blue energy wave that sweeps upward from the Death Star shaft after Vader tosses him down it? That was his spirit rushing out from his body and into a new cloned one.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Re: Commentary on the current state of Star Wars continuity(some spoil

So.....does this mean that the ancient Tales of the Jedi chronicles, Emperor Palpatine being resurrected, Han and Leia having three kids, Luke marrying Mara Jade, Chewbacca dying, the Yuuzhan Vong invading, etc, etc, can now just be ignored if George frigging Lucas feels like it?! Well, that's just crap. Utter, complete crap. For a long time all those stories actually meant something, and now they could all turn out to be worthless.

Considering that's how tie-in literature tends to work, yeah it does mean and IT ALWAYS MEANED that those stories were not canon.

Does it not occur to anyone that the very concept of "canon" in a fictional universe is a bit anal retentive to begin with?

Yeah, personally I don't really care about canon it's just there isn't really another word that works there.

Maybe there's a post-ROTJ story to be told that's better than the Thrawn story?

HELL and NO.

True.

 

[EJA]

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*Shifts uncomfortably* Well, I do admit that I've often felt a tiny bit uncomfortable with the discrepancy between the PT and the Tales of the Jedi stories, with Revenge of the Sith stating that Qui-Gon Jinn was the first Jedi ever to achieve the ability to become a Force-ghost after death, while I understand the earlier TotJ, set thousands of years before the two trilogies, frequently depicted dead Jedi returning as Force-ghosts as though it was perfectly normal.

And the earlier CW cartoon and the novel Labyrinth of Evil already both depicted two irreconcilable accounts of the Battle of Coruscant and the kidnapping of Palpatine. I remember Nathan Butler, in his Star Wars Timeline Gold, putting these things down to varying opinions of future historians in the SW universe, or something like that.

Oh, and didn't someone mention that George has made references to the Nightsisters and Dathomir in the cartoon? They originated in the old EU novel The Courtship of Princess Leia, so at least there's a chance that's still applicable.

 

[Mr Light]

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No matter how they contradict things, there's always the ability to fanwank it back into the old continuity. Like how Boba Fett was Jaster Mareel the Protector or whatever that was, they turned that into a cover story he used, something like that.

For Darth Maul, they say in the cartoon he's from Iridonia but he was raised on Dathomir, so they're already fanwanking for us!

 

[Capt_Pickirk]

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Are there squires in the Lucas-verse????? You know with the jedi being an order of knights and all??

 

[Whofan]

Re: Commentary on the current state of Star Wars continuity(some spoil

There's the Journal of the Whills, a reference made in the Star Wars movie novel adaptation....


http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Journal_Of_The_Whills

 

[Mach5]

Re: Commentary on the current state of Star Wars continuity(some spoil

Temis: the Emperor wasn't cloned, his original spirit survived. He just inhabits clone bodies.

LOL, this shit for real? Sounds like a really bad trash horror pic.

Uhm yeah, for me the saga ended with ROTJ, no exceptions (unless the big guy himself decides to make one, but even then I doubt I'd be happy about it).

 

[Capt_Pickirk]

Re: Commentary on the current state of Star Wars continuity(some spoil

Temis: the Emperor wasn't cloned, his original spirit survived. He just inhabits clone bodies.

LOL, this shit for real? Sounds like a really bad trash horror pic.

Oh come on. It's not as bad as it sounds.........


...Actually it is. But at least there aren't any midichlorians

 

[Mach5]

Re: Commentary on the current state of Star Wars continuity(some spoil

But at least there aren't any midichlorians

Aw come on people, can't you get over that shit already?

 

[Capt_Pickirk]

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^ No. If Lucas hadn't screwed up the force in the first place we wouldn't have a reason to constantly complain

 

[Peter the Younger]

Re: Commentary on the current state of Star Wars continuity(some spoil

There's the Journal of the Whills, a reference made in the Star Wars movie novel adaptation....


http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Journal_Of_The_Whills

I always wondered about the Whills. For some reason I can't help but picture them as the old Mystics from The Dark Crystal.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Re: Commentary on the current state of Star Wars continuity(some spoil

Temis: the Emperor wasn't cloned, his original spirit survived. He just inhabits clone bodies.

LOL, this shit for real? Sounds like a really bad trash horror pic.

Oh dear, that just makes it worse. But I guess if Obi-Wan et al can be Force ghosts and stick around post-mortem, why shouldn't the Sith be able to, too?

That's not in the Thrawn story, it's after. Funnily enough, the author of the Thrawn books actually tried to throw the emperor's resurrection out of canon in one of his later books.

Oh good. Sounds like the author has some taste then.

 

[Mach5]

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But I guess if Obi-Wan et al can be Force ghosts and stick around post-mortem, why shouldn't the Sith be able to, too?

Because Jedi can become one with the force only if they're at peace at the end, and the Sith can never be at peace cause they're full of anger?

 

[EJA]

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I always liked Dark Empire (The book were Palpatine comes back). In fact, I think I prefer it to Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy.

 

[Gaith]

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Oh good. Sounds like the author has some taste then.

Just read the damn wonderful books already!

 

[Mr Light]

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I don't see what's so hard to believe about Sidious, the grand master of the Sith, the man who single handedly wiped out the Jedi and conquered the entire galaxy and successfully ruled it for twenty years, finding a way to conquer death.