I really wish that Star Trek were relavant with the Youth today.

[Warped9]

Some of these people that love talking smack about other people....if they don't win the arguments and nothing is going according to what they think, they tend to take it personally and make everything about you. Most of the time they bend the truth so much, it's not even true anymore.... It's ridiculous!

Have you ever been picked on or ostracized because of your likings or interests? If not then you probably don't know what the hell you're talking about about. When it happens when you're young it can be very hurtful. And I've seen both as a youth and as an adult that kids, teenagers and young adults can be very hurtful and lacking in empathy.

 

[Paradon]

Yes, I have been treated differently because of my mental illness....but not everybody necessary turned into an extremely mean person. Everybody wants to be noticed I get that, but it's how you go about trying to get people's attention that matters. Some people do it by hurting other people and some go about it helping people. Both really are doing for their own self-fish reason.... A lot of criminals think they can use it as excuse to hurt other people and make it all about other people, but in our society we are brought up to believe that hurting people is wrong. They will lie and hide their guilt which proves that they know what they were doing when the crime was committed. If you think you have a good reason to kill someone, you wouldn't lie about it. You'd think other people would think the same way and act like nothing bad happened. They'd be like the "Addams Family". Those people actually think killing and murdering people is OK, and they think everybody agrees with them.

 

[ngc7293]

Generally, if you speak out, other Trek fans will find YOU. Such was the case at my school and beyond. As has been said, so what if others don't like what you do. That is the way of life. How else do you find like minded folks unless you weed out those who dislike your stuff?

As far as Will more Trek be made for the younger crowd? They tried to make Star Gate Universe (or as it was originally called SG-90210) and in its second year it seems to be doing Ok. However with Trek you had two idiots making most of the shows and fans begged for better content with each passing week. Will a new show come to TV? If someone can find a cheap way to do the graphics and pay the actors. Perhaps if they did like SG-A and filmed in Canada and then used unknown young actors to cut costs it might work. But most fans expect some kind of Hero Ship.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Star Trek is definitely relative to MY kids. Play the Next Generation theme in any room of the house, you'll have my two year old son running around like a maniac shouting "E'rprise! Da E'prise! WOOSH!"

In related news, ever since STXI came out I've had several of my students explain to me the act of "pulling a Spock" is a sort of local idiom for "beating the crap out of somebody who has insulted your mother."

 

[The Wormhole]

As far as Will more Trek be made for the younger crowd? They tried to make Star Gate Universe (or as it was originally called SG-90210) and in its second year it seems to be doing Ok.

On the contrary, SGU is on its last leg and the possibility of cancellation is a very real one indeed.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

^ Stargate has ALWAYS been teetering on the edge of cancellation. That it has survived as long as it has is both amazing and saddening.

 

[The Wormhole]

^ Stargate has ALWAYS been teetering on the edge of cancellation. That it has survived as long as it has is both amazing and saddening.

SGU has much lower ratings than SG-1 and Atlantis ever had.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Which is interesting, because of the three of them SGU is the only one I thought was even halfway watchable. SG-1 made me want to puke, though Atlantis is ALMOST tolerable if you get really stoned before you watch it.

 

[6079SmithW]

Which is interesting, because of the three of them SGU is the only one I thought was even halfway watchable. SG-1 made me want to puke, though Atlantis is ALMOST tolerable if you get really stoned before you watch it.

Agree in part. I'd much rather watch SGU then SG-1. Almost all of SGU's eps I find very entertaining but for every entertaining ep of SG-1 there are like four that are terrible, cringeworthy, or just plain boring. Can't say much about SGA since I only saw a few eps but it seems much better than SG-1.

As for the actual topic of this thread, Star Trek will always be relevant as long as there are geeks and nerds in said youth and I can personally assure you that there are many of us and our numbers are growing. Be afraid.

 

[drazzz52923849]

though Atlantis is ALMOST tolerable if you get really stoned before you watch it.

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I feel the same way about season 1 of TNG. LMAO!

 

[Therin of Andor]

However I doubt it did anything to spur an interest in the older stuff.

Well, it did. CBS and video stores reported huge sales in all ST-related DVDs, especially TOS, in the months following the release of JJ's ST in cinemas.

 

[RandyS]

It can be a double edged sword, no doubt about it. But I've often found that it was the "Trek Haters", for lack of a better term who drew the first blood. Many younger fans either don't know, or more likely don't remember the late 60's and early 70's, when Star Trek fans were considered weird in the extreme, not just by their peers, but by William Shatner himself. For some reason that has never been explained, people just look down on Star Trek fans.

I don't think there were "Trek Haters" in the way you mean it, and especially not at that time. There were bullies, intent on a game of power and aggression, preying on the timid, the nerdy, the loner, the daydreamer, types that for one reason or another tended to gravitate towards Star Trek and other stories. So, within a short time, Star Trek became a fast way to identify their preys, and the stereotype only grow from that.


As for Shatner and others, they weren't probably prepared to the obsessiveness of some fans, wrongly labelling the entire fandom due to these few people. Also, you shouldn't draw too much from one SNL sketch.

I wasn't even thinking about the sketch. I was thinking about his book on the Star Trek conventions, plus what the other members of the cast has said about him. But, I was only using him as an example of the early years of Trek fandom. I understand that he's mellowed some in recent years, but admittedly, I don't follow these things as closely as I used to.

And as to my "Trek haters" label, I did qualify it with "for lack of a better term". If there is one, please educate me.

 

[BillJ]

However I doubt it did anything to spur an interest in the older stuff.

Well, it did. CBS and video stores reported huge sales in all ST-related DVDs, especially TOS, in the months following the release of JJ's ST in cinemas.

Do you have any links to back that up?

 

[iguana_tonante]

I don't think there were "Trek Haters" in the way you mean it, and especially not at that time. There were bullies, intent on a game of power and aggression, preying on the timid, the nerdy, the loner, the daydreamer, types that for one reason or another tended to gravitate towards Star Trek and other stories. So, within a short time, Star Trek became a fast way to identify their preys, and the stereotype only grow from that.

And as to my "Trek haters" label, I did qualify it with "for lack of a better term". If there is one, please educate me.

I'd go with just "arseholes". My point was that I don't really think anybody hates Star Trek per se (if you don't care about a somewhat successful but tv program, you just don't watch it, you don't go around actively opposing it). They are just arseholes that love to mob and bully nerdy, shy kids, which in turn happen to love Star Trek. So they short-cut it to "hating Star Trek" as an excuse to keep mobbing and bullying.

 

[I am not Spock]

I was about 13 when I got into ST, but that was in the mid nineties when Trek was going through a bit of a comeback, what with DS9 and VOY on the air, TNG finishing up, and Generations and First Contact just around the corner. That was a good time to be a Trekkie.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Do you have any links to back that up?

Not handy, but a few months ago some spokesman for CBS was quoted as saying numbers were up. The movie caused a spike in sales for all Trek on DVD and esp. TOS. Many posters here were saying their stores' stocks seemed to be moving faster than normal. Probably in the TrekBBS news threads?

 

[Tomalak]

It's funny, because when I was a kid, TNG was in full swing (coming to an end actually), so I and my friends were just the right age for all the cool Playmates toys from about 1993-1996. I was 10 for the 30th Anniversary merchandising blitz in 1996. We all used to watch it on BBC2, play Star Trek in the playground, and have fun with the toys. I was dead jealous of my friend Matty because he had the bridge and the transporter... I had the tricorder though.

Then at some point I missed the memo when it was no longer cool - probably about the time everyone else started discovering girls, and by about 1998 it was just embarrassing being spotted going to see Star Trek Insurrection at the cinema. Though after I saw the film, I was a bit embarrassed too...

 

[I am not Spock]

It's funny, because when I was a kid, TNG was in full swing (coming to an end actually), so I and my friends were just the right age for all the cool Playmates toys from about 1993-1996. I was 10 for the 30th Anniversary merchandising blitz in 1996. We all used to watch it on BBC2, play Star Trek in the playground, and have fun with the toys. I was dead jealous of my friend Matty because he had the bridge and the transporter... I had the tricorder though.

Then at some point I missed the memo when it was no longer cool - probably about the time everyone else started discovering girls, and by about 1998 it was just embarrassing being spotted going to see Star Trek Insurrection at the cinema. Though after I saw the film, I was a bit embarrassed too...

Sounds like you came into Trek around the same era I did. Trek was cool in the mid nineties! At least, that seemed to be the case. I agree, it was probably around the time of Insurrection and the end of DS9 when the decline started.

 

[CaptJimboJones]

Which is interesting, because of the three of them SGU is the only one I thought was even halfway watchable. SG-1 made me want to puke, though Atlantis is ALMOST tolerable if you get really stoned before you watch it.

Agree in part. I'd much rather watch SGU then SG-1. Almost all of SGU's eps I find very entertaining but for every entertaining ep of SG-1 there are like four that are terrible, cringeworthy, or just plain boring. Can't say much about SGA since I only saw a few eps but it seems much better than SG-1.

Agreed here as well. SG1 and SGA were so campy and cheesy that SGU, with its serious style and attempt to tell some actual character-driven stories, seems like a completely different show - it's hard to believe it's part of the same franchise.

 

[RAMA]

A few more ST films like the last one and a new series and this will go away to some degree. I agree with the general sentiment I saw on this thread though, if you like it, then who cares what other people think...there are some 700 plus hours of Trek and the universe is always growing. Be happy with what you get to explore!!

It's funny, because when I was a kid, TNG was in full swing (coming to an end actually), so I and my friends were just the right age for all the cool Playmates toys from about 1993-1996. I was 10 for the 30th Anniversary merchandising blitz in 1996. We all used to watch it on BBC2, play Star Trek in the playground, and have fun with the toys. I was dead jealous of my friend Matty because he had the bridge and the transporter... I had the tricorder though.

Then at some point I missed the memo when it was no longer cool - probably about the time everyone else started discovering girls, and by about 1998 it was just embarrassing being spotted going to see Star Trek Insurrection at the cinema. Though after I saw the film, I was a bit embarrassed too...

Sounds like you came into Trek around the same era I did. Trek was cool in the mid nineties! At least, that seemed to be the case. I agree, it was probably around the time of Insurrection and the end of DS9 when the decline started.

There was a brief time when ST was cool, no matter what age you were. Lasted from about 1991 till 1996 I think.

RAMA