I take it, it took Nero and crew 25 years to repair the damage the Kelvin did when it rammed into them!
How the hell did they get the Narada back?!!
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Nothing, they just had more missiles, the element of surprise, and didn't give the starships an opportunity to ram into them again.
The slightest change in tactics on the part of the Romulans?
Also, there were hints of an incident at a "Klingon Prison Planet" where the Klingons lost 27 ships.
So the question is, why introduce that element into the story at all? Why a Prison planet, if they've been hiding elsewhere for 20-25 years?
No. They hinted that the Narada was inactive for 25 years, and that Nero and/or his crew were on some kind of Klingon prison planet.
If we take the deleted scenes into account, then Rura Penthe was established as that planet.
So the question is, why introduce that element into the story at all? Why a Prison planet, if they've been hiding elsewhere for 20-25 years?
No. They hinted that the Narada was inactive for 25 years, and that Nero and/or his crew were on some kind of Klingon prison planet.
If we take the deleted scenes into account, then Rura Penthe was established as that planet.
The intended story is that Nero and his crew were prisoners on Rura Penthe, giving Nero the time to make calculations etc. to figure out where/when Spock would emerge, so that he could get the Red Matter and enact his revenge plan.
Given that time, he became ambitious enough to want to go after the Federation (obviously allied with Spock and the Vulcans who, in his eyes, "betrayed him").
Why do we need to turn away from the intent here, when there are a) hints of this part of the story, and b) no hints that contradict this element?
Because if its not in the final cut, it doesn't count. Just like Kirk's orbital skydive, him getting shot in the back, and Soran torturing Geordi with a nanoprobe in his heart from Generations don't count. What's in the final cuts of the episodes and movies is what's canon, not the deleted scenes, especially ones that don't make sense. Seriously, why would the Narada be in orbit of Rura Penthe instead of some other planet with extensive research facilities? Why don't the Klingons have defenses more capable of defending against the Narada's weapons if they've had the ship for 25 years?
If you assume the Narada's FTL engines were blown after the Kelvin incident, it's easy enough to believe they wandered through space without doing anything for the better part of 25 years. Just getting someplace where they could effect repairs could take that long.
Hell, the crew of the Columbia went relativistic and burned 12 years just getting to a planet that was relatively (no pun intended) nearby. No comms, no warp drive, you're pretty much invisible unless someone knows where to look for you.
Hell, the crew of the Columbia went relativistic and burned 12 years just getting to a planet that was relatively (no pun intended) nearby. No comms, no warp drive, you're pretty much invisible unless someone knows where to look for you.
They certainly went hypersonic, but not a significant fraction of c capable of time dilation. If the space shuttle had enough energy to accomplish that, we'd be using it to fly to the moon on a regular basis.
What you say about Canon is correct, however there are hints that Rura Penthe, or some other prison planet, was the subject of some huge battle where 27 Klingon ships were destroyed by one massive Romulan ship.
Ergo: Narada + Prison Planet = Jailbreak battle.
Possible answers to your two questions:
Q: Seriously, why would the Narada be in orbit of Rura Penthe instead of some other planet with extensive research facilities?
A: So that Nero and the Narada are nearby, so that both can be rapidly interrogated/investigated by the same people at the same time.
Q: Why don't the Klingons have defenses more capable of defending against the Narada's weapons if they've had the ship for 25 years?
A: They simply could not get into the systems/engineering necessary to figure out lat 24th Century Romulan technical advances.
Assuming Countdown is valid for consideration, Borg technology could be pretty defensive.
If not, we don't know what kind of defenses the Narada may be harboring.
Possible scenario:
- Narada is capable of slowly repairing itself (Perhaps Borg tech, perhaps advances by 2387 in Romulan tech, likely necessary for such a large, complex vessel with a mining crew)
- Narada takes about 25 years to repair itself, then attacks the prison planet based on Nero's location on the planet and a signal of some kind during the jailbreak (Interrogators may have let slip that it's up there, Nero breaks out, and sends messages for Narada to bust them out)
- Nero and crew on Narada simply beam up and fight through to safety.
- Trigger for breakout could be results of calculations revealing where/when Spock will emerge.
The film's explanation was that ships that had flown into the Nexus were destroyed or nearly so, and the implication was that this didn't necessarily include getting transported to the Nexus before the ship vaporized completely.
Yep. I think that's the answer Data gave when Picard asked the very same question in Stellar Cartography.
RE: This issue, there are probably as many possibilities as there are imaginations, but it was never established on screen what happens.
All we can do is look at what HAS been established and make likely projections from the established facts and implications.
In the absense of solid data to the contrary, I like to err on the side of writer's intent.
Order of Precedence for me:
1. What has been establised on screen (including Dialog).
2. What can be logically deduced from item 1.
3. Immediate tie-in media, such as the Countdown and Nero comics.
4. Stated intent of the writers.
But that's just me
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