TL;DR Or why SGU annoys me...

[Tek]

At the moment, I can't find anything on TV to watch so I don't. I'm a huge Sci-Fi nut, but I find I have particular tastes. At the moment my TV show watching consists of:

House
Dexter
The Walking Dead
True Blood
Rescue me
SGU

That's it! That is the only TV I watch!

I needed a Sci-Fi fix so my friend introduced me to SGU and I was hooked (mostly because I LOVE me some Robert Carlyle but we won't talk about that...)

But I do agree on some things-

Its draggy- A lot of episodes seem like they have no point. I can deal with a novella arch but the episodes all better be leading to something to tie it all together. Up until this weeks episode, I didn't see it happening.

I don't like the majority of the characters-

Absolutely Hate:
Col Young - Are you kidding me? I'd be in the brig because I would deck his ass so fast for being so DUMB (YOU ARE SO DUMB, FOR REAL...)
Eli - A Suck up and a whiny dork. Gives Nerds a REALLY bad name. I would be beating him up and stealing his lunch money every day just for being such a tattle tale.
Chloe - What is this? Better make her get infected with Alien ju-ju to make her at least semi-interesting.
Matt - Boring, boring, boring.
The lady who was on ER - She just seems annoying in general
Blondie wannabe doctor woman with the baby lost in space-I don't care about you. Please go off and die or something instead of looking like its such a chore to live all the time.

Dislike:
Rush - I really want to like him. And I did like him for a bit. The screwing Chloe over thing did turn me however. I wanted him to be bad for the greater (or his own good). I can understand that Machiavellian principal. I don't care if this recent episode explained why he was being a for the most part. The Chloe thing really bothers me. And its Robert Friggin' Carlyle. I WANT TO LIKE HIM EVEN IF HE IS BAD!!!!!!!


Like:
Geer: I know I am in the minority here but I do like him. Now that they've make him less angry and having a little fun, he's the only one who makes me smile though they started him out on the wrong foot as a huge stereotype.


When I really think about it, I almost feel like the series does women a great injustice. All of them are whiny, weak, there so you can look at their boobs or mostly useless. The ONLY chick who I liked was the Lucian Alliance leader because she was decisive and strong and not afraid to LIVE. Seriously, every other female on the show has some sort of ISSUE going on. They aren't very interesting at all. Matter of fact, if you took them off the show, I don't think anyone would really notice.

This week's episode was a step in the right direction. I wanna see if they can incorporate nuBSG, Voyager, FarScape into one cohesive element. I do think the series does have potential. I know Mr. Carlyle can act so maybe give him some better material than snaking around all the time.

Kill off Young. Okay, maybe don't kill him off but maybe have the ship get inside his brain and wipe him clean so we can start over and I won't feel like punching the TV every time he opens his mouth.

Give the women something to do that is interesting that doesn't involve tight shirts, being saved, being the ship's
"ho" or crying and being sullen over space babies or girlfriends on the home world.

I keep watching because I like dark space drama's and I keep hoping for it to get better... And maybe it might... but these are just my thoughts.

Thanks for playing along!

 

[Saquist]

If you're watching SGU you either like Dark Story Telling over Smart Story telling or your taste isn't that particular.

 

[Xerxus]

When I really think about it, I almost feel like the series does women a great injustice. All of them are whiny, weak, there so you can look at their boobs or mostly useless. The ONLY chick who I liked was the Lucian Alliance leader because she was decisive and strong and not afraid to LIVE. Seriously, every other female on the show has some sort of ISSUE going on. They aren't very interesting at all. Matter of fact, if you took them off the show, I don't think anyone would really notice.

To be fair, the men in the show aren't without flaws either.
Except maybe post-mindcontrol Telford.

 

[PsychoPere]

What does this "TL;DR" mean?

 

[David cgc]

What does this "TL;DR" mean?

"Too long; Didn't read."

 

[Tek]

When I really think about it, I almost feel like the series does women a great injustice. All of them are whiny, weak, there so you can look at their boobs or mostly useless. The ONLY chick who I liked was the Lucian Alliance leader because she was decisive and strong and not afraid to LIVE. Seriously, every other female on the show has some sort of ISSUE going on. They aren't very interesting at all. Matter of fact, if you took them off the show, I don't think anyone would really notice.

To be fair, the men in the show aren't without flaws either.
Except maybe post-mindcontrol Telford.

You know, I forgot about him. He's okay too. I'd rather him be in command than Young. I think it would make for a more action packed show where I actually, even if I was scared, would want to be on that ship with the people and sharing in their adventure.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Tek: It sounds like you basically hate the entire main cast. You might as well quit watching in that case.

 

[PsychoPere]

What does this "TL;DR" mean?

"Too long; Didn't read."

Ah, thank you.

At the moment my TV show watching consists of: [...]

Based on your list of shows, I'd recommend checking out FX's Terriers. It only has two episodes left in this season, but it's been a fantastic character-based show so far.

Eli - A Suck up and a whiny dork. Gives Nerds a REALLY bad name. I would be beating him up and stealing his lunch money every day just for being such a tattle tale.

A "tattle tale"? Seriously? He's one of the few people on this show who has followed the legitimate chain of command. Rush as portrayed can't be trusted. Wray hasn't earned the respect of anyone and has in fact done the exact opposite with the mutiny. Young may have become a drunkard and can't take a single step without second-guessing himself, but he is the person who is legitimately in charge. Eli doesn't have any relevant experience to think he "knows better," so I think it's only correct for his character to continue following Young's orders. Eli's attempts at humor, however, do annoy me.

Rush - I really want to like him. [...]

Rush's characterization has been quite a mixed bag. I don't mind his persistent belief that he can't trust anyone on the crew to comprehend Destiny (though I think it's also incorrect: Volker, Eli, and Brody have all done good work, and Park is trying), but I strongly dislike the "does he have a hidden agenda?!" nonsense.

Geer: I know I am in the minority here but I do like him. Now that they've make him less angry and having a little fun, he's the only one who makes me smile though they started him out on the wrong foot as a huge stereotype.

Definitely with you re: Greer. He's a lot more interesting when the writers aren't employing the idiotic "angry black man" stereotype. Let him be angry sometimes, sure; he's been shown as to have not had a great life in the past, so it's understandable. But lightening him up a bit, letting him have some fun, is a definite good thing.

The ONLY chick who I liked was the Lucian Alliance leader because she was decisive and strong and not afraid to LIVE. [...]

Rhona Mitra is definitely great. Too bad they couldn't have kept her around, though there would've been two problems with that: 1) I'm sure she's too expensive; 2) She never would have assimilated into the SGC personnel the way Varro, Ginn, and the others potentially can (excluding Simeon, of course).

Kill off Young. Okay, maybe don't kill him off but maybe have the ship get inside his brain and wipe him clean so we can start over and I won't feel like punching the TV every time he opens his mouth.

I don't think Young needs to be killed off (there's currently no one onboard Destiny qualified to lead). He does, however, need to get back on his "game," as it were, and remember that he's supposed to be a USAF Colonel.

Give the women something to do that is interesting that doesn't involve tight shirts, being saved, being the ship's "ho" or crying and being sullen over space babies or girlfriends on the home world.

Park's input in "Cloverdale" was a good step towards this, as well as giving the supporting cast in general a chance to be involved in a real way.

To be fair, the men in the show aren't without flaws either.
Except maybe post-mindcontrol Telford.

You know, I forgot about him. He's okay too. I'd rather him be in command than Young. [...]

That would be great, wouldn't it? LDP is undoubtedly too expensive an actor to have on a weekly, indefinite basis. Damn unfortunate, since Telford's an actual leader.

 

[bullethead]

Rush's characterization has been quite a mixed bag. I don't mind his persistent belief that he can't trust anyone on the crew to comprehend Destiny (though I think it's also incorrect: Volker, Eli, and Brody have all done good work, and Park is trying), but I strongly dislike the "does he have a hidden agenda?!" nonsense.

Honestly, I'd agree with you on Rush thinking too low of all the other science guys, but from what I've seen I can understand why Rush doesn't get them involved with stuff because 1)they don't seem to be that proactive and 2)none of them have really done much. That said, I'm surprised Rush didn't let Brody in on the bridge secret considering that they worked together on the modifications to the chair. And its sad to say that he's actually the only one qualified to be the leader, as he actually has the stones to make the big calls and considers the big picture.

I don't think Young needs to be killed off (there's currently no one onboard Destiny qualified to lead). He does, however, need to get back on his "game," as it were, and remember that he's supposed to be a USAF Colonel.

I think part of the reason people want to see him get killed off is because he's so incompetent that it's hard to see how he even managed to become a Colonel. Then there's also the fact that Louis Ferreria isn't giving a good performance (I suspect the directors are partially to blame for this- his only good performances were Darkness and the dream parts of Cloverdale). Things are bad when you can mentally swap one of the lead actors for a guest star and have every single scene massively improve.

 

[Tek]

Tek: It sounds like you basically hate the entire main cast. You might as well quit watching in that case.

I like the premise- I am sticking around hoping that it gets better. I mean, at least I am someone who's watching it. I'm one more rating number instead of totally turning it off.

 

[Tek]

What does this "TL;DR" mean?

"Too long; Didn't read."

Ah, thank you.


Based on your list of shows, I'd recommend checking out FX's Terriers. It only has two episodes left in this season, but it's been a fantastic character-based show so far.


A "tattle tale"? Seriously? He's one of the few people on this show who has followed the legitimate chain of command. Rush as portrayed can't be trusted. Wray hasn't earned the respect of anyone and has in fact done the exact opposite with the mutiny. Young may have become a drunkard and can't take a single step without second-guessing himself, but he is the person who is legitimately in charge. Eli doesn't have any relevant experience to think he "knows better," so I think it's only correct for his character to continue following Young's orders. Eli's attempts at humor, however, do annoy me.


Rush's characterization has been quite a mixed bag. I don't mind his persistent belief that he can't trust anyone on the crew to comprehend Destiny (though I think it's also incorrect: Volker, Eli, and Brody have all done good work, and Park is trying), but I strongly dislike the "does he have a hidden agenda?!" nonsense.


Definitely with you re: Greer. He's a lot more interesting when the writers aren't employing the idiotic "angry black man" stereotype. Let him be angry sometimes, sure; he's been shown as to have not had a great life in the past, so it's understandable. But lightening him up a bit, letting him have some fun, is a definite good thing.


Rhona Mitra is definitely great. Too bad they couldn't have kept her around, though there would've been two problems with that: 1) I'm sure she's too expensive; 2) She never would have assimilated into the SGC personnel the way Varro, Ginn, and the others potentially can (excluding Simeon, of course).


I don't think Young needs to be killed off (there's currently no one onboard Destiny qualified to lead). He does, however, need to get back on his "game," as it were, and remember that he's supposed to be a USAF Colonel.


Park's input in "Cloverdale" was a good step towards this, as well as giving the supporting cast in general a chance to be involved in a real way.

To be fair, the men in the show aren't without flaws either.
Except maybe post-mindcontrol Telford.

You know, I forgot about him. He's okay too. I'd rather him be in command than Young. [...]

That would be great, wouldn't it? LDP is undoubtedly too expensive an actor to have on a weekly, indefinite basis. Damn unfortunate, since Telford's an actual leader.

I just wonder if there is any redeeming Young at this point. As I said, I liked the last episode for the most part (just like Geer, I like seeing Rush start to let his hair down too) but I feel a little bit off at the Young beating up Rush thing. It made no sense from a command perspective or even logic. Here you are either trying to kill or beat the snot out of the smartest person you have on board Destiny. Okay, so you hate him but you can't kill him either. Lock him in a room, I dunno, but stop getting male PMS all the damn time.

I think it would be better just to have Young TOTALLY turn into a drunk and then he can be the comedy in the show officially since he already is a joke! Then we have the "funny guy" that that old SG1 fans seem to be clamoring for...

As far as Eli and chain of command.

Eli is a civilian. Rush brought him on board so he owes (or needs to damn) Rush for the opportunity. Rush has no reason to trust or let Eli in on anything because Eli only cares about kissing up to Young, moony-eying over stupid Chloe, (and now losing his virginity to Ginn maybe because you know that poor boy couldn't get any play unless he had a Porsche in his driveway...)

Park- I think the writer KNOW they don't have a strong female in the show and saw Park for this role but perhaps it is the way she is playing the role that I don't buy it. She just seems "bitchy" and not in control. Like she can whine and moan her way into stuff. Not quite assertive enough. It is interesting how her home life is affecting her on Destiny but I don't know.

Again, I want to LOVE this show. I don't blame the main actors that much- its the writing. I think Matt maybe should have been recast with someone else but I guess we must have the 20 something young hot guy on the show.

Hopefully, things are turning around with the last episode. We shall see!

 

[Tek]

P.S. I don't think Matt is hot at all.

 

[PsychoPere]

[...] but I feel a little bit off at the Young beating up Rush thing. [...]

With Rush's revelation that he cracked the master code, found the bridge, and has control over Destiny, it was far more in this episode than just that Young hates Rush on a personal level. Due to Rush, Riley is dead. Rush deserved this beat down.

Park- I think the writer KNOW they don't have a strong female in the show and saw Park for this role but perhaps it is the way she is playing the role that I don't buy it. She just seems "bitchy" and not in control. Like she can whine and moan her way into stuff. Not quite assertive enough. It is interesting how her home life is affecting her on Destiny but I don't know.

I believe you're thinking of Ming-Na's character, IOA representative Camille Wray. Lisa Park is one of the scientists, and most definitely does not have the characteristics you've just described.

 

[Tek]

Yes... Wray... Sorry. See, I can't even remember the women's names on that show besides Lt. Juggs and Chloe.

And I still don't agree with the beat down. This is the second time that its become physical with Young and Rush.

I'm trying to think here... but has Rush ever totally thrown Young to the wolves? He seems to always (even if it is reluctantly) saving Young at the last moment.

Young for Rush? Not so much.

 

[PsychoPere]

I'd say framing the man for murder fits the definition of being "thrown to the wolves." Rush has earned both of his beat downs from Young.

And yet Rush is still my favorite character on SGU.

 

[Listener4]

My favorite characters used to be Rush, Eli, and Greer. I don't think I have any favorite characters now.

 

[Tek]

My favorite characters used to be Rush, Eli, and Greer. I don't think I have any favorite characters now.

Why don't you like Greer? I think he's gotten better since they gave him a little depth. I'm curious.

 

[Tek]

Also, there are a lot of actors associated with the show which are good but aren't getting enough screen time. I understand that maybe they cost too much however does it ruin their reputation to be associated with the show?

 

[Jerikka Dawn]

I think the main thing that annoys me about this show is the fact that I have to turn the brightness up to watch it.

 

[Saquist]

My favorite characters used to be Rush, Eli, and Greer. I don't think I have any favorite characters now.

Why don't you like Greer? I think he's gotten better since they gave him a little depth. I'm curious.

I'm not desperate to like these characters because I'm horny or something...right now that's the Greer attraction...he's not much of an actor...OR RATHER...you can't tell from this show. Meat watching isn't one of my pass times so I'm going to have to agree with Listener4...I used to like Rush...when I THOUGHT there was something there..I used to like Eli when it wasn't as clear that all he was there to do was to be innocent and unfortunate....I never liked Greer who is a gross walking stero-typel...