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Fringe: "The Plateau" - Oct. 7 - Grading & Discussion
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It's tough to rate a network show against a cable show so I usually say that Fringe is the best show on network television.
Yeah, Fauxlivia's sister did die, her mother's still alive.
I liked the ST reference with the Vulcan mind meld.
And am I wrong, but didn't Olivia have a father or step-father issue? The birthday card reminders? It'd be nice if, at some point, they just cleared that up and closed the book on it, even if it's just "We found your father's remains--he was killed in [whatever gruesome method] [however-many] years ago (like, right after he sent that last card). He won't be bothering you again." Or some comment between the sisters. Something just to end that storyline.
The big clue was the fact that most bars in New Jersey don't advertise Alexander Keith's.
Decent episode overall, though nothing spectacular. I'm enjoying watching this storyline split between the two universes play out, though.
In Blue Olivia's mother died while in birth of her sister (right?) Our world!
In Red Olivia's sister died during birth and mom survived(right?)Fauxlivia's World
So Olivia talking to that girl about how her and her sister growing up to me was a crack to her real self since in the red world she never had a sister grow up and know. So Our Olivia is remembering stuff about her sister that the Fauxlivia's couldnt since her sister died at child birth. Get my point?
How does the Secretary know Olivia is supposed to have the ability to cross over? William Bell knew, but the second season finale makes no sense if the Secretary knew all about Bell. If he does know so much, why doesn't he know that she can't control it? If he doesn't know she can't control it, why doesn't he wonder why she didn't escape? And why doesn't he conclude from her failure to escape that she can't cross over?
As for the really smart guy who therefore must be a ruthless murderer, why ever did he not use his predicting power to find a neater solution, such as a ludicrous combination of events that resulted in a false record that he was regressed satisfactorily? Oh, I forgot, really smart people are all evil. Even given his inevitable evilness, however, why ever would he leave a pen at the scene of each crime? And wouldn't people on the scene decide it was a Fringe Division case, then call them in?
Is there any point at all to this storyline with brainwashed Olivia, except to prolong the agony of waiting for her to come back? Like that Jacksonville episode, when the writers want her back, her cortexifan powers will suddenly work.
Below average. Even on Hulu this show may not be a good idea.
As for the really smart guy who therefore must be a ruthless murderer, why ever did he not use his predicting power to find a neater solution, such as a ludicrous combination of events that resulted in a false record that he was regressed satisfactorily? Oh, I forgot, really smart people are all evil. Even given his inevitable evilness, however, why ever would he leave a pen at the scene of each crime? And wouldn't people on the scene decide it was a Fringe Division case, then call them in?
Is there any point at all to this storyline with brainwashed Olivia, except to prolong the agony of waiting for her to come back? Like that Jacksonville episode, when the writers want her back, her cortexifan powers will suddenly work.
Below average. Even on Hulu this show may not be a good idea.
I'm not sure how you logically draw that conclusion from the episode. In the episode it just so happens that this one smart person is evil. But it certainly doesn't follow that just because one smart person is evil that they all are evil. Certainly, as we've seen, not every smart person on Fringe is evil (e.g. Olivia).
You've got a point about the pen, though. If the guy was *that* smart, shouldn't he have been able to predict the repetitive use of the pen would draw attention? Unless, of course, he did know and wanted the attention. He certainly didn't seem all that concerned about Olivia and Charlie. More like they were just another puzzle to be solved and disposed of.
In addition to being tested and experimented on by William Bell and Walter Bishop, Olivia is now carrying the memories of three people: herself, John Scott's and Altlivia's. Poor messed up girl. Her advanced cognitive skills should help her separate those memories eventually, though.
Fringe has delivered strong episodes in season 3. I hope the trend continues. Since the red universe is overall more technologically advanced than the blue one, Fringe cases from "the other side" should be even more borderline.
I'm not sure how long this blue/red universe thing will last, but if it ever comes to a conclusion, I hope blue universe snags Alt-Charlie. Great character that shouldn't have been killed off in season 2, imo.
Something tells me there are more than two universes interacting here. For instance, in the season 1 episode "The Road Not taken", Olivia takes a peek into an alternate universe which, unlike red universe, does have Cortexiphan kids (Susan Pratt and Nancy Lewis, the pyrokinetic twins).
Fringe has delivered strong episodes in season 3. I hope the trend continues. Since the red universe is overall more technologically advanced than the blue one, Fringe cases from "the other side" should be even more borderline.
I'm not sure how long this blue/red universe thing will last, but if it ever comes to a conclusion, I hope blue universe snags Alt-Charlie. Great character that shouldn't have been killed off in season 2, imo.
Something tells me there are more than two universes interacting here. For instance, in the season 1 episode "The Road Not taken", Olivia takes a peek into an alternate universe which, unlike red universe, does have Cortexiphan kids (Susan Pratt and Nancy Lewis, the pyrokinetic twins).
There's also the question of The Observers. Where do they come from? Red? Blue? Purple?
I kind of like the idea of a reconciliation between Red and Blue. And, somehow, I think the Observers are key. IIRC, they wanted to make sure Peter survived. Peter is needed to run The Machine. I'll be interested to learn what those connections are.
I kind of like the idea of a reconciliation between Red and Blue. And, somehow, I think the Observers are key. IIRC, they wanted to make sure Peter survived. Peter is needed to run The Machine. I'll be interested to learn what those connections are.
That's what I was wondering ... Is the machine NOT a doomsday machine, but something to reconcile the universes--with Peter as the key and Olivia as the person who can travel between the universes?
The Observers are in both universes. Parts to the machine are in both universes--how much is in ours? Aside from Olivia, no one (no human) could travel between the universes without external help (Walt, Walt+Peter, and Bell).
I'm enjoying this season. Nice overall mystery (the machine and Observers), nice arc mystery (Olivia's ability and Peter's function regarding the machine), nice individual mysteries (fringe incident of the week).
Well, the critical thing is Waltenate thinks the Machine will destroy our universe, and those characters on the Blue side are running with that. But no one knows for sure what it does, from the looks of things.
I always found Fringe to be generally boring but I must say this season is absolutely firing on all cylinders. It's definitely become an interesting show. I love that every other episode is in the Alt-Universe. I love that the boring horrible Olivia character is temporarily gone and we either get her evil scheming counterpart or her friendly cool evil counterpart. I loved getting to see the Alt-Fringe team tackle a problem in their world.
What I really want to see is the Alt-Fringe team investigate the Observers. Do we know if they know of them yet?
And I guess I forget but what's the deal with the guy with the burns all over his body?
And the bit where the oxygen suddenly goes away, I assume this is yet another side-effect of the universe tearing travel?
What I really want to see is the Alt-Fringe team investigate the Observers. Do we know if they know of them yet?
And I guess I forget but what's the deal with the guy with the burns all over his body?
And the bit where the oxygen suddenly goes away, I assume this is yet another side-effect of the universe tearing travel?
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